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A request to the EBU players:
How about this for a Garbage Only Multi continuation sequence? Can it work? What must I change?
This suggestion used the 2D-4C sequence as the anchor around which the rest has been devised, where the 4C bid is asking opener to transfer into whichever major he has. Here’s the deal –
2D-Pass = (The hand belongs to the opponents, I got crap but D)
2D-2H = Pass/correct, the hand belongs to the opponents (Before you reject this option outright, remember that your teammates in the closed room will have the strong hand; the board may still turn out to be flat)
2D-2S = I have game values if we can find a fit but can support only 1 major, not necessarily S. Tell me more about your hand. The continuation bidding would go like this –
.........2NT = My suit is H not S to keep you as the declarer
…………3C = We have a fit, tell me how good/bad your opening was
……………3D = Bad, 3-5 HCP, not necessarily in H (responder will signoff in 3H)
……………4D = Good, 6-8 HCP, mostly in the H suit (responder will signoff in 4H)
…………3H = To play, no fit
…….3C = My suit is S, bad Multi, 3-5 HCP
…….3D = My suit is S, good Multi, 6-8 HCP, mostly in the S suit
…….(Depending on the degree of fit and the response, responder signs off in 3S or 4S)
2D-2NT = Lebensohl (responder has a single suited hand and wants to play in his suit)
2D-3C = Game values, support for both majors, transfer into your suit at the appropriate level please
…….3D = My suit is H, bad Multi, 3-5 HCP
…….3H = My suit is S, bad Multi, 3-5 HCP
…….4D = My suit is H, good Multi, 6-8 HCP
…….4H = My suit is S, good Multi, 6-8 HCP
2D-3D = D pre-empt, the hand belongs to the opponents, let them figure out which major suit fit they have

Because this is the Garbage Multi, I never went past 3D for the continuation bidding. I’m inviting the other forum posters to extend/complete/adjust/modify this sequence.

2♦-2♥ can also contain hands where you want to play 2♥ where partner has hearts, but raise if he has spades

I think your 2N on frequency grounds is sub par (is it a good hand or a bad hand anyway) and you'll do better using it as your enquiry.

3. Your GF hands can go via 4C or 4D. Not sure I want to do this opposite a 3-5 HCP hand?

If I wanted to play in ♥, would a direct 3♥ response work i.e. bypassing Lebensohl and therefore more pre-emptive? Lebensohl and then bidding ♥ (or ♠ with the appropriate hand) could possibly show a stronger hand inviting game if opener is max (6-8 and 2-card support? Would that be an improvement?

We are talking about Garbage Multi here. So let us compare my 2S bid with your 2NT bid:
1. I am saving a step

2. Your 2NT is effectively showing slam interest. I am not sure how realistic this is for a Garbage Multi? For a normal Multi which allows up to 10 HCP, absolutely! Keep the door open for slam. But for a hand which tops off at 8 and whose primary purpose is destructive? Bear in mind that the current trend is towards “destructive.”

3. Your GF hands can go via 4C or 4D. Not sure I want to do this opposite a 3-5 HCP hand?

4. Your invite hands go via 2D-3D. My structure has no invite. It asks for hand strength/suit quality and then signs off in 3M or 4M. Additionally, with your invite hands, the stronger hand is exposed on the table.

5. The 2M p/c paradox takes you to level 3 anyway when you reply 2S and opener has H. Again the stronger hand is exposed on the table. My 2S structure allows me to ascertain openers strength and suit along the way. It also keeps the stronger hand as declarer.

When playing a destructive method, try to find a decent spot as quickly as possible and don't give opps any extra opportunities to penalize you.