Do you overcall here?
An overcall promises what?
#3
Posted 2013-December-18, 09:52
-gwnn
#4
Posted 2013-December-18, 10:14
I think the correct long term action is to pass, especially at imps.....yes, I do know we need to stretch to bid vulnerable games at imps, but this hand is a looong way from 5♦ and I'd like slightly better heart spots to have 3N in mind. If we belong in some other game, partner would have to bid it.
Having said that, I doubt that I'll find a lot of support for this conservatism
#5
Posted 2013-December-18, 11:17
#6
Posted 2013-December-18, 11:49
mr1303, on 2013-December-18, 11:17, said:
It was unlucky, in two respects. It was unlucky to go for -1100, and it was unlucky that you chose to overcall.
Seriously, though, it is normal to bid 2♦ on these cards, even though, as Mike said, it may not be right.
#7
Posted 2013-December-18, 15:26
#8
Posted 2013-December-18, 16:35
mikeh, on 2013-December-18, 10:14, said:
Fwiw, you have my full support for everything you wrote, including not being able to resist to overcall. And you know i am not a shy bidder. I would prefer a lot of 9-10-11 hcp hands with 6 card diamonds as oppose to this one.
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#9
Posted 2013-December-18, 19:49
mikeh, on 2013-December-18, 10:14, said:
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Having said that, I doubt that I'll find a lot of support for this conservatism
LOL, poor prediction, and I also agree with you that at the table we are all way too prone to temptation.
#10
Posted 2013-December-18, 19:55
#11
Posted 2013-December-20, 03:58
#13
Posted 2013-December-20, 11:19
George Carlin
#14
Posted 2013-December-20, 14:47
Fluffy, on 2013-December-20, 10:58, said:
I did not think of it tbh, but i like that idea for this hand.
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#15
Posted 2013-December-20, 15:01
#16
Posted 2013-December-20, 15:07
Fluffy, on 2013-December-20, 10:58, said:
I'm sorry but this is a far worse 1N than it is 2♦ imo. It's not that I like 2♦ but 1N is a huge overbid. We have only 1 heart stopper, our clubs aren't worth 5 hcp, and we only have 14 if they were.
Moreover, partner will bid more aggressively, on exactly the wrong hands, after 1N than after 2♦. He thinks we promise a bigger minimum for 1N. He may well take us to a weak 5-2 spade fit, or overbid thinking that his clubs will be more useful than they are.
Stretching to make understrength unfavourable 1N overcalls strikes me as suicidal/fratricidal bridge at its worst.
#17
Posted 2013-December-20, 21:13
#18
Posted 2013-December-20, 23:08
mikeh, on 2013-December-20, 15:01, said:
Let's see if I can trigger your cynicism as well.
My instinctive reaction on seeing the original post just now was that there's no way I would overcall (that's a bit too articulate - it was actually 'blech'), and I was genuinely surprised to see the first few posts supporting doing so. The hearts, flat hand, and soft values are all negatives. After looking at the comments I'm actually more likely to consider overcalling as a mainstream call, but taking action here just doesn't leap out as something with a big up side.
Getting tagged for -1100 is a bit unlucky though. Mostly an overcall on this hand at this vulnerability doesn't seem to achieve much one way or another. The opponents are still going to find game or a partscore in either major if it's right. The most common good thing is that you keep them out of a 3NT they would have made without a diamond lead from partner. Call that 7 IMPs. The biggest downside (as I'm guessing is the case here) is that they were headed to 3NT and not worried about the diamonds, which is 12 IMPs. It's hard to work out the chance of each, but needing 2-1 frequency in my favour seems to back my initial reaction.
#19
Posted 2013-December-21, 03:35
#20
Posted 2013-December-21, 07:32
Mike Lawrence wrote about the fact that many of your partners cards are not hearts as a reason to overcall aggressively but that was at the 1 level, say with 5 cards in the minor they open and a biddable 4 card major. All his examples had a 2nd place to play (often 1nt) and this is a 1 trick pony.
That said I would bid once in a while to remind myself why I shouldn't and have seen -1100 in a team game on similar be a push.
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Do you overcall here?