[pclayton]

Jlall, on Jan 5 2006, 07:23 AM, said:

pclayton, on Jan 4 2006, 11:54 PM, said:

Looking for a 4-4 spade fit is really a small target too.

Looking for a 4-4 spade fit or
looking for a 6(7?)-1 heart fit or
looking for a 1N rebid over which we can get to diamonds or
looking for a 2N rebid over which we can get to 3N from the rightside or
looking for an unlikely diamond rebid over which we can raise and partner is more informed than had we bid 1N immediately then raised or...

Many things can happen besides a 2C rebid or finding a 4-4 fit.

1. How does 1N preclude getting to our 6-1 heart fit? If anything there are hand types with 3♠ and 6♥'s that raise to 2♠ over 1♠, but have an auto 2♥ rebid over 1N.

2. If the auction starts 1♥ - 1♠ - 1N - 2♦, we are in the identical spot of 1♥ - 1N - 2♣ - 2♦.

3. I concede NT rates to play better from pard's side if 3N is the resting place.

4. I think we are much better placed if pard fits side diamonds if we start with 1N. I don't want pard to devalue his spade shortness, and he might veer toward 3N with a lot of hands that are excellent in 6♦: x, AKxxx, Kxxx, Axx.

GADGET ALERT: Harvey and I play a natural 2N response to a major (13+). Accordingly, the auction 1M - 1N - 2x - 3N cannot exist. Instead, we use this sequence as a splinter raise of opener's 2nd suit with shortness in Opener's major. Opener can pass, or can advance with a weak major. The subject hand is a good example (perhaps a tad light) of a hand that would bid 1♥ - 1N - 2♦ - 3N.

[Winstonm]

pclayton, on Jan 4 2006, 11:54 PM, said:

Looking for a 4-4 spade fit is really a small target...

Looking for a 2S rebid by partner after my 1N is an even smaller target. I thought a strong object of bidding was to find 4/4 major fits - if I don't bid spades, who will?

Winston

[MickyB]

I thought this was quite interesting, so I did a sim.

The first one came out with surprisingly few 2♣ rebids, at the expense of a lot of 8 card heart suits. I realised that the dealer was giving the hand 5 hearts and *then* dealing the rest of the cards randomly, so I went to Richard Pavlicek's site instead!

Partner will have 4-5 clubs on a little over 36% of deals, and 4 spades on a little under 17%.

[the hog]

1S. If you bid 1NT ypu deserve to lose a 4-4 S fit.

This is a good hand for thinking before trying to be clever. Who says partner is going to bid 2C?

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

1NT, followed by a weak diamond bid,
i.e. 2D / 3D as a sign off bid.

Marlowe

[Echognome]

I'm also a 1♠ bidder. My follow-ups for partner's bids are:

1NT: Puppet to 2♦ or bid 2♦ to play depending on agreements.
2♣: Pass. If opps double, I'll bid 2♦.
2♦: Simple raise
2♥: Pass
2♠: Pass

The only problem bid is 2♣ and at least we won't play it doubled.

[Kalvan14]

1♠ here too. There are different ways of showing a weakish 4-6; I play:
1♥-1♠-2♣-3♦ as showing this hand.

I'll not let go the chance of a spade fit; interestingly, the oppos being silent might indicate that pard does not have a lot of hearts.

[HeartA]

what about 2D, which is not in the list?