twcho, on Mar 3 2006, 05:11 AM, said:
I kibitzed the above hand in a BBO team match played by high calibre players. The result is 4
♠X-1.
My feeling was that the double by north is normal but the pass by south is doubtful. However, when I asked the other kibitzers whether the pass was their choice and most replied that pass is normal.
I am a bit puzzled because what I have been taught is that take out double is for take out. For this hand, south have 10 working pts outside
♠ and such a good suit as
♦, how can one consider passing the double. For me, 5
♦ is automatic and even 6
♦ is not impossible.
Another renowned kibitzer replied to me that this was a borderline choice for south but the main culprit is the double by north which she said that 5
♣ would be her choice.
All the kibitzers' comments were different from mine. Is that my bridge logic really so poor?
This is a VERY difficult hand.
First there are different styles here about the x of 4S. Some (like myself) play it as mostly takeout (so 1-1.5 spades on average), others play it as more flexible (2 spades on average), a minority play it as penalty (at this level thats probably only 2.5 spades on average). What you do with the other hand depends on the style of your x's. Playing my way (takeout) I would bid 5D over it, but it is somewhat close (I wouldn't ever bid a 4 card suit at the 5 level over a takeout x). As the style tends toward the flexible to penalty treatments, you are more likely to pass with the south hand, which is, after all, balanced. What to do with both of these hands is a frequent topic of discussion in the Master Solver Club writeups in the bridge world, and their are all sorts of opinions...
This hand is made even more difficult by the fact that south is a passed hand, so north is taking a big risk with the takeout x. He does, after all have, at least 2 probable tricks in hearts, so its unlikely that there will be too many overtricks. But when you x with the north hand, you would not be totally suprised by 4S-x making 4 or even making 5 if the 3'rd hand 4S pre-empt was heavy, as it sometimes is.
I was at the other table, and had a different set of complications. At our table it went, P-P-3S-?
Now we were playing a strong club, so partner was about 1-1.15 points more limited than at the other table. Partner rarely will have an 11 HCP hand and will open some good unbalnaced 10 counts. On the other hand, 3S is much less likely to be a strong hand than 4S (but might still have 11-12 HCP opposite a passed hand) is, so my partner is really likely to have around 8 HCP, although thats not guaranteed. I didn't want to risk a takeout x here and have partner pass, and my club suit was kind of weak, so I made a [VERY] whimpy pass. In retrospect, I think I should have bid 4C which keeps the auction alive, but its very close. Partner had the best hand possible. As it happened while trying to set 3S we let them make 4 (I played partner for the stiff club A, but lazily led a card that would confuse him if he had more than 1 club...)
Bidding went as:
W N E S
P P
4♠ X P P
P