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I was wondering about following sequence:
1♣ - Dbl - 1♦ - pass
1NT - pass - pass - ?

What hands would you expect for following bids?
- Dbl
- 2♣
- 2♦

[Gerben42]

Dbl: Bad hand with both majors (I mean really bad!)
2m: Natural and weak

[655321]

Dbl: Penalty
2♣: Natural, to play. First chance to bid ♣
2♦: Natural without discussion, but could have bid 2♦ last turn and didn't.

[helene_t]

Agree with Gerben.

A good hand would have acted over 1♦.

[FrancesHinden]

Assuming that 1♦ was forcing,

Dbl = 1NT is going off, they are in trouble
2m = natural

(arguably 2D should be a weak hand with both majors, as you passed over 1D. But I wouldn't try that undiscussed and would stick to "If it hasn't been discussed, and it could be natural, it is natural")

[joker_gib]

For me :

Dbl : t/o, both majors and not enough to act last round
2m : natural

[Sambolino]

i think x cant be pen; if we fail to show cards immediately we may put pard in trouble later in other sequences beginning with 1c-x-1d-p-p

2m nat, quite weak and rather long

[FrancesHinden]

Sambolino, on Jan 18 2008, 02:48 PM, said:

i think x cant be pen; if we fail to show cards immediately we may put pard in trouble later in other sequences beginning with 1c-x-1d-p-p

This auction won't happen if 1D was forcing.

If 1D wasn't forcing it's completely different (but now the 1NT bid is probably different as well and we would have been told)

[Fluffy]

partner could had bid a penalty double of 1♦, but didn't, to bid it natural now he has to have something not so likelly.

Either double or 2♦ should be used for both majors, I think that penalty double makes the less sense to me, I never pass when having a strong hand.

But without prior discussion I use the general agreements that double of NT are penalty so I'd take 2♦ as majors.

[pclayton]

2 of a minor is natural. That's easy.

Making double for takeout looks right on the surface, but consider a few things:

1. Some of us play a double of 1♦ as takeout for the majors, so we'd already have a hand that can show 4-4 in the majors immediately. We've had this discussion over and over about what a double is, and there's no question penalty is standard, but that really makes no sense to me. Why would anyone psyche 1♦ here?

2. Even if we didn't have a way to show 4-4 in the majors originally, we would be bidding on practically nothing at the one level. Why would we want to back in with a 5 count and 4-4?

3. There are plenty of hands that I'd like to pass 1♦ and see what happens. Take something like: ♠xx ♥xx ♦KJxx ♣AQTxx. This is the kind of hand that I'd love to crack 1N (or just about anything) after a pass, especially since 1♦ is forcing.

[han]

Clear penalty double imo, and natural 2m.