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Poll: Do you treat this hand as 3 card limit raise, or simply raise to 2S? (40 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you treat this hand as 3 card limit raise, or simply raise to 2S?

  1. 1N followed by 3S (3 card limit raise) (31 votes [77.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 77.50%

  2. 2S (9 votes [22.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.50%

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Posted 2008-January-17, 19:07



Assuming a soundish opening style and not playing Bergen raises, do you treat this hand as a 3 card limit raise or as a simple raise to 2S?
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
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Posted 2008-January-17, 19:19

8 losers in LTC. Against that it is not a particularly great 10 count. What sways it is the xx in H.
3 card limit raise for me.
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Posted 2008-January-17, 19:22

No strong feelings either way.
I voted for 2♠, but would probably show it as a limit raise some days, depending on vulnerabilty, scoring and pips.
Would also have no problem whichever option partner chose.

I just reread the question and noticed your stated conditions of sound opening style. Perhaps the limit raise option is better now?
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Posted 2008-January-17, 19:54

Limit raise. The Jxx in my partner's long suit is much more valuable than if in a side suit. Decent control cards and a ruffing value. Partner should not expect more than this for a minimum limit raise.

Compare this hand to.

Axx, Jx, Qxxx, Kxxx
Axx, xx, Qxxx, KJxx

Both of these are simple raises, IMO.
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Posted 2008-January-17, 20:21

OK I'll count points and this is an unflawed 11 support points. 3 card limit raise for me.

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Posted 2008-January-17, 22:06

If forced to play these methods, this is a three card limit raise.... (and no, i don't play bergen either).
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Posted 2008-January-18, 10:07

I don't even know what you mean by "soundish" opening bids.

To me, this is a simple raise. Partner can make a game try.

I don't even consider the small doubleton with only three card support. Besides, I like to have something in reserve for all of my bids, since my partners are very aggressive.
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Posted 2008-January-18, 11:21

This is a limit raise by all of my metrics. 10 HCP, a doubleton, 8 losers, roughly 3 cover cards, and no obvious flaw. I like my AQ, and I don't love my unsupported K and J, or the lack of intermediates, but it's a bidder's game.
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Posted 2008-January-18, 11:55

Clear limit raise imo.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-January-18, 12:13

indeed. This is the sort of hand that might miss a game if underbid
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Posted 2008-January-18, 14:31

ArtK78, on Jan 18 2008, 11:07 AM, said:

I don't even know what you mean by "soundish" opening bids.

In order:

Mike777
very light
quite light
light
fairly light
lightish
average
soundish
fairly sound
sound
quite sound
very sound
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Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-January-19, 02:08

neilkaz, on Jan 18 2008, 03:21 AM, said:

OK I'll count points and this is an unflawed 11 support points. 3 card limit raise for me.

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Agree
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