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I Bid 4 Hearts comments please
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Posted 2008-January-28, 02:32
Should I have passed 3NT
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Posted 2008-January-28, 03:31
No, 4H is correct. Partner didn't have a negative double of 1S (he had a 2S cue bid)
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Posted 2008-January-28, 03:33
X then 3N shows 4 hearts and offers you a choice of games. Your 4H bid was auto.
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Posted 2008-January-28, 04:22
Hi,
As always, it depends on partnership agreements.
If you play, that the neg. X does not promise
a 4 card heart suit, than the answer is, you
should have passed, ... partner did hear you.
You may need to play this style, if you play NFB,
in which case you have to start with a neg. X,
if you happen to hold a strong hand.
With kind regards
Marlowe
As always, it depends on partnership agreements.
If you play, that the neg. X does not promise
a 4 card heart suit, than the answer is, you
should have passed, ... partner did hear you.
You may need to play this style, if you play NFB,
in which case you have to start with a neg. X,
if you happen to hold a strong hand.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2008-January-28, 05:08
I don't agree that the negative dbl must have 4 hearts 100% of the time, so to me it's a clear pass to 3NT.
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Posted 2008-January-28, 05:20
Of course there are hands with 4 hearts which might consider a negative double, but such a hand would not bid 3N subsequently. You only make off-shape doubles if you don't have an alternative. With a stop in opps suit, p could have bid 3N immediately (or made a cuebid in this case since he has diamonds).
You pass 3N if you have very soft values, say QJT-xxxx-QJTx-AK, or if you for some reason had bid 2♥ on a 3-card.
You pass 3N if you have very soft values, say QJT-xxxx-QJTx-AK, or if you for some reason had bid 2♥ on a 3-card.
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Posted 2008-January-28, 05:48
To see how poor partner's double of 1S is, note that 3NT is not the right game either. The right game is 5D. Having 5-card support for partner's opening bid is usually considered a hint that it might be the right strain.
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Posted 2008-January-28, 12:15
You are questioning the wrong player's calls. Double is wrong with great support for ♦ and <4 ♥. 3NT is wrong without a ♠ stopper and with undisclosed support. And the final pass is not that likely to work out well (on the bidding partner is pretty much marke with only 4 ♥ and short ♣ so he is likley to get forced).
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Posted 2008-January-28, 12:54
whereagles, on Jan 28 2008, 06:08 AM, said:
I don't agree that the negative dbl must have 4 hearts 100% of the time, so to me it's a clear pass to 3NT.
Maybe not a light hand that has no other way to compete. But of course any hand that can bid 3NT the second round had no reason to negative double without four hearts, so clear pull to 4♥ by west.
3NT is also the wrong contract anyway. Why don't people support their partners!
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Posted 2008-January-28, 13:02
jdonn, on Jan 28 2008, 06:54 PM, said:
3NT is also the wrong contract anyway. Why don't people support their partners!
It is boring to be dummy!
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Posted 2008-January-28, 13:05
jdonn: yeah, correct.
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Posted 2008-January-28, 14:46
East made 3 horrible calls in a row.
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Posted 2008-January-28, 15:34
(Pass) 1♦ (1♠) 2♠ ...
This is a much better start to the auction where 2♠ shows a good hand with diamond support.
This is a much better start to the auction where 2♠ shows a good hand with diamond support.
Wayne Burrows
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I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
#14 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2008-January-28, 16:59
Of course a negative X doesnt promise 4 hearts, but there is no hand without 4 hearts that can bid 3N over 2H that did not have a bid over 1S. 2S/2C/3N were all options initially.
In context of the 3N bid, responder 100 % has 4 hearts.
In context of the 3N bid, responder 100 % has 4 hearts.
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