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4 Loser;13hcp;red Vs Green Come alive and/or drop dead?

#1 User is offline   zasanya 

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Posted 2008-January-31, 11:30

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1♥-1♠-P-4♠
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Would you start with 1♣?What would you bid now?
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Posted 2008-January-31, 11:37

If 4♠ is the typical preemptive bid, I'm bidding 5♣ here. Too bad partner won't know about my longer clubs, but the suits are of about equal quality.
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Posted 2008-January-31, 12:08

I would have started with 1C.

If I had started with 1C and the auction had continued like this, I would now cross my fingers and bid 4NT.
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Posted 2008-January-31, 12:27

Agree with both posters. Having opened 1♥, I would bid 5♣ now.

But I would have opened 1♣ and I would bid 4NT over 4♠.
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Posted 2008-January-31, 13:00

I'd bid 5♣ also because both could be making. However I think it's a lot more likely that both are down.
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Posted 2008-January-31, 13:55

Hi,

#1 sure, I would I have started with 1C
#2 5C
If you would have started with 1C,
you could have bid 4NT, now you may
reach 5H, although 5C is better

With kind regards
Marlowe
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Posted 2008-January-31, 14:16

FrancesHinden, on Jan 31 2008, 01:08 PM, said:

I would have started with 1C.

If I had started with 1C and the auction had continued like this, I would now cross my fingers and bid 4NT.

ditto
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Posted 2008-January-31, 14:38

FrancesHinden, on Jan 31 2008, 01:08 PM, said:

I would have started with 1C.

If I had started with 1C and the auction had continued like this, I would now cross my fingers and bid 4NT.

Agree with Frances
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Posted 2008-January-31, 15:08

delete... :P
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Posted 2008-January-31, 15:09

I would have opened 1C and passed. Having opened 1H I would pass. We have a lot of defense and I'm willing to take my chances on defense since there's no guarantee we even get to the right suit if I bid now. Obviously we could be cold, but we could also be going for a fairly large number against a non making game. Color me pessimistic :P
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Posted 2008-February-01, 01:43

I am joining the majority and follow Frances.
Even if both contracts are down, mayn opps don´t know this during the bidding and they like to defend on the 5. level green/red quite often.
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Posted 2008-February-01, 02:04

Jlall, on Jan 31 2008, 01:09 PM, said:

I would have opened 1C and passed. Having opened 1H I would pass. We have a lot of defense and I'm willing to take my chances on defense since there's no guarantee we even get to the right suit if I bid now. Obviously we could be cold, but we could also be going for a fairly large number against a non making game. Color me pessimistic :)

Yes. same here. Committing this hand to the 5 level with a pard that can't take a call over 1♠ looks rich.
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Posted 2008-February-01, 14:15

Well, I don't believe in passing a 65, so I'm bidding 5♣.
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Posted 2008-February-02, 01:20

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This was the full hand


West's overcall was eccentric.4♠has no chance.5♣X On correct defence should be -800.On a misdefence I could have escaped for -200 but misguessed ♣ and lost 500.
Other room played in 3♣ after the same 1♥ opening bid and made.
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Posted 2008-February-02, 01:38

West's overcall was normal, not eccentric. I would have started with 1H and passed 4S
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