[shanbari]

i like to know what people play when advancer cuebid when partner takeout.

(1m) x (p) 2m

when do you cuebid 2m, strong hand or could be lower range ?


thank you

shan

[helene_t]

I play 2m from at least some 9 points or such with both majors or any GF. Hence if doubler rebids 2M it is NF. This is not universal, some Dutch experts (I think Michielsen/Wortel a.o.) play a cuebid followed by a correction of 2♥ to 2♠ as NF.

In the Netherlands I think beginners learn to play the cuebid as GF but I don't think any experts play that.

[bhall]

It is fairly common to play that the cue bid shows either a strong invitation lacking a 5-card suit or any game force with more than one place to play. The doubler bids his cheapest suit, and if that bid is at the two level (e.g., 1♣-X-P-2♣-P-2♥), responder promises not to pass. But if he raises the doubler to 3♥, it is not forcing. In that case, he will often hold about 10 HCP and 3442 or 4432 shape.

[han]

I play the cuebid as either GF or invitational with both majors. 2M by the doubler is forcing though, the only non-forcing auction follows with 2M-3M.

[jdonn]

The simple way to state this is the cuebid is forcing to suit agreement. So no one can pass before game is bid or someone is raised.

[cherdano]

jdonn, on Feb 10 2008, 12:50 AM, said:

The simple way to state this is the cuebid is forcing to suit agreement. So no one can pass before game is bid or someone is raised.

This seems to be standard in the US.

[skjaeran]

helene_t, on Feb 10 2008, 01:00 AM, said:

I play 2m from at least some 9 points or such with both majors or any GF. Hence if doubler rebids 2M it is NF.

This is the norm in Norway.

[Cascade]

We play forcing to 2NT so we can get out on auctions where we don't find a fit.

[EricK]

jdonn, on Feb 10 2008, 06:50 AM, said:

The simple way to state this is the cuebid is forcing to suit agreement. So no one can pass before game is bid or someone is raised.

Some play that it is forcing to NT or suit agreement (so that all NT bids by either side are limit bids).

[mike777]

This all sounds pretty complicated to me.

I just play cuebid by unpassed hand as bid something sane partner/tell me where your extra values are. Tell me your hand. Limit+ very often but not 100%.

[Edmunte1]

skaeran, on Feb 10 2008, 03:10 AM, said:

helene_t, on Feb 10 2008, 01:00 AM, said:

I play 2m from at least some 9 points or such with both majors or any GF. Hence if doubler rebids 2M it is NF.

This is the norm in Norway.

This is commonly standard in Romania too.

[shanbari]

bhall, on Feb 9 2008, 08:37 PM, said:

It is fairly common to play that the cue bid shows either a strong invitation lacking a 5-card suit or any game force with more than one place to play. The doubler bids his cheapest suit, and if that bid is at the two level (e.g., 1♣-X-P-2♣-P-2♥), responder promises not to pass. But if he raises the doubler to 3♥, it is not forcing. In that case, he will often hold about 10 HCP and 3442 or 4432 shape.

thanks for all the reply.

i was playing the same way as bhall do, a lot of other people mentioned same way.
the key point is doubler doesn't need jump, this way would save more room for advancer to show different hand.

however my partner suggest the way helene_t mentioned. and mentioned that it would get benefit to find 4-4 at 2/3 level more easily. (of course when doubler jump at 3M, it may cause advancer issue)


so i am wondering which way is better or practical.

shan