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#1 User is offline   cnszsun 

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Posted 2008-February-13, 06:30

Scoring: IMP

ps-ps-ps-1♠
ps-1N-ps-?

Your call now, or would you open 1NT?

Edit: missing a spade, corrected.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 07:04

A card is missing.

Assuming I have a 5332 shape,
I would go with 1NT.

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Posted 2008-February-13, 07:58

Borderline between 2♠ and 3♠ now. Since it's V, I'll go with 3.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 10:21

1 then 2 is normal.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 10:26

1 then 2 is normal.
Playing some form of sexy method I show this as a 2.5 spade rebid.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 11:48

FrancesHinden, on Feb 13 2008, 11:26 AM, said:

1 then 2 is normal.
Playing some form of sexy method I show this as a 2.5 spade rebid.

In Precision as I learned it this is a 3 spade rebid.

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Posted 2008-February-13, 13:49

I know that this might be an extreme, minority position, but I might well have opted to open this hand 1NT.

Having opted 1♠, I think I am obliged to low-ball 2♠ and hope that all is well in the world.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 14:00

This hand is worth 2.5♠, so that's my rebid (2♥ in my methods). B)
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Posted 2008-February-13, 17:54

I think it's worth 3♠, just about.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 18:05

Jlall, on Feb 14 2008, 12:21 AM, said:

1 then 2 is normal.

If 2♠ is normal with this hand, should partner make a game try holding 2 Aces and doubleton ♠?
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Posted 2008-February-13, 18:11

cnszsun, on Feb 13 2008, 06:05 PM, said:

Jlall, on Feb 14 2008, 12:21 AM, said:

1 then 2 is normal.

If 2♠ is normal with this hand, should partner make a game try holding 2 Aces and doubleton ♠?

Only if one of the aces is the club ace.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 18:22

cherdano, on Feb 14 2008, 08:11 AM, said:

cnszsun, on Feb 13 2008, 06:05 PM, said:

Jlall, on Feb 14 2008, 12:21 AM, said:

1 then 2 is normal.

If 2♠ is normal with this hand, should partner make a game try holding 2 Aces and doubleton ♠?

Only if one of the aces is the club ace.

Haha, he will be genius if he knows which aces we need.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 18:42

To be a little more serious, if you bid 2♠ with a hand like this you will occasionally miss a good game, but if you bid 3♠ you will get too a bad game too often (say the 2♠ bidders, and I agree). Even if partner has both minor suit aces it is not a huge disaster to miss this game, you need a finesse and a 3-2 break, which is 34% - of course, you also sometimes make on a club lead away from the king, but if this is really the best game we miss by bidding 2♠, I won't lose sleep over it. (If he has ♥A and ♣A it is obviously worse.)
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Posted 2008-February-13, 18:58

cnszsun, on Feb 13 2008, 07:05 PM, said:

Jlall, on Feb 14 2008, 12:21 AM, said:

1 then 2 is normal.

If 2♠ is normal with this hand, should partner make a game try holding 2 Aces and doubleton ♠?

No, why would we want to be in game opposite 2 aces and a doubleton spade? That is a good example of why 3S will get us too high too often, he'll bid over 3S with less than that for sure.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 19:10

I'd never touch 1N with this hand, it's too good.

I might open 2♠, if i have that method discussed in the partnership.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 22:31

2♠.

If partner doesn't move which is very likely then he will need a super hand for us to make game.

On the other hand if I bid 3♠ now I will often be writing in a minus score.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 23:04

skaeran, on Feb 14 2008, 03:00 AM, said:

This hand is worth 2.5♠, so that's my rebid (2♥ in my methods). :)

Quick question Harald. 2H in your system is a t/f to S. What is 2S? T/f to C or a weaker hand with S? If the latter, how do you bid Cs?
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Posted 2008-February-14, 01:59

Clear 2S for me ill bid 2C before bidding 3S.
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Posted 2008-February-14, 11:18

The_Hog, on Feb 14 2008, 06:04 AM, said:

skaeran, on Feb 14 2008, 03:00 AM, said:

This hand is worth 2.5♠, so that's my rebid (2♥ in my methods). :)

Quick question Harald. 2H in your system is a t/f to S. What is 2S? T/f to C or a weaker hand with S? If the latter, how do you bid Cs?

2♠ is a weaker hand with spades. Actually we don't bid clubs unless we can jump to 3♣ showing 55 inv. I'd prefer to have a 2♦ opening for 11-15 5♠ 4-5♣, but my regular partner won't.

So with a weak 5-4 we have to pass 1NT and with 5224 we open 1NT if in range (14+-17). 11-13(14) with 5-5 we open 1♣.
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