[Ant590]

Scoring: MP

Auction proceeds:
1♣ - 1♦
2♣ - 2♥
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2/1

What should I bid?

[jtfanclub]

2NT...protect those kings!

[matmat]

3d. why would i hide support?

[benlessard]

WTP 3D

[the hog]

Easy 3D bid.

[skjaeran]

Easy 3♦ - support with support.

You can always get to 3NT from your side later if that's where you belong.

[P_Marlowe]

2NT.

You already showed your 6 clubs, now it is
time to show the spade stopper.

As it is, the 2H may or may not be based on
a 4 carder, but it should show values.

If 2H already forced to game, you have to bid
3NT, since 2NT would be stronger, ... but this
may be a mood point.
You are already limited your hand to 12-15HCP,
so there maybe no need to bid 3NT direct.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[FrancesHinden]

This really is a wtp 3D bid. You have a great hand for diamonds.

[andy_h]

3D

[helene_t]

Is 2♥ GF, or promising a rebid, or just forcing for one round? I think it should be GF in this particular case since responder can generally bid 3♣ with an invitational hand, but when opener could still have a 5-card only a non-GF reverse could be handy for some hands.

[jdonn]

3♦. HUGE pet peeve of mine when people just never support their partners. I won a big swing bypassing 3NT with a double stopper in the unbid suit to support my partner's 6 card minor on a doubleton in the junior team championships in 2006 (xx AJxxxx Qx AJT, 1♥ 2♦ 2♥ 2♠ 2NT 3♠ 4♦). I don't say it to brag, I say it because I was amazed that at the time so much was made of it, to me it seemed obvious but some people just can't bear to support their partner if notrump is a possibility.

[jtfanclub]

jdonn, on Feb 17 2008, 01:03 PM, said:

I won a big swing bypassing 3NT with a double stopper in the unbid suit to support my partner's 6 card minor on a doubleton in the junior team championships in 2006 (xx AJxxxx Qx AJT, 1♥ 2♦ 2♥ 2♠ 2NT 3♠ 4♦). I don't say it to brag, I say it because I was amazed that at the time so much was made of it, to me it seemed obvious but some people just can't bear to support their partner if notrump is a possibility.

There's a little bit of difference there.

Getting 11 tricks in diamonds when everyone else is getting 10 tricks in NT is a big, fat zero in MPs. In your game, it was one IMP. Besides, you'd already bid 2NT there.

On the auction

1♣ 1♦
2♣ 2♥
2NT 3♥ or 3♠

I would bid 4♦, not 3NT. While it's a lot more obvious in this case because this hand has three diamonds, not two, I think that's a closer analogy to your example. Besides, as it points out, while there's plenty of space for partner to ask about my spade stops, there's also plenty of space to ask about my support.

Maybe it's just a question of forcing. I'm used to 2♥ here being 1rf, not gf. So unless my partner has a monster hand, after my 3♦, he'll show a lack of a spade stopper by passing, not bidding 3♠. I don't play responder reverses as promising a gf- maybe that's unusual, I don't know.

[cherdano]

jdonn, on Feb 17 2008, 12:03 PM, said:

3♦. HUGE pet peeve of mine when people just never support their partners. I won a big swing bypassing 3NT with a double stopper in the unbid suit to support my partner's 6 card minor on a doubleton in the junior team championships in 2006 (xx AJxxxx Qx AJT, 1♥ 2♦ 2♥ 2♠ 2NT 3♠ 4♦). I don't say it to brag, I say it because I was amazed that at the time so much was made of it, to me it seemed obvious but some people just can't bear to support their partner if notrump is a possibility.

Hmm, partner is showing a 6-5, and we have two aces and the queen in his first suit? Well bid Josh, amazing!

[cherdano]

2♥ here is clearly GF, responder is reversing into a suit we cannot have. He can bid 2N or 3♣ or 3♦ to invite.

[jtfanclub]

cherdano, on Feb 17 2008, 02:44 PM, said:

2♥ here is clearly GF, responder is reversing into a suit we cannot have. He can bid 2N or 3♣ or 3♦ to invite.

How do you bid:

x AJTxx KQxxxx x

[gwnn]

jtfanclub, on Feb 17 2008, 09:53 PM, said:

cherdano, on Feb 17 2008, 02:44 PM, said:

2♥ here is clearly GF, responder is reversing into a suit we cannot have. He can bid 2N or 3♣ or 3♦ to invite.

How do you bid:

x AJTxx KQxxxx x

2♥ game forcing

[Cascade]

P_Marlowe, on Feb 18 2008, 01:27 AM, said:

If 2H already forced to game, you have to bid
3NT, since 2NT would be stronger, ... but this
may be a mood point.

I disagree with this if 2♥ is GF then you want to bid 2NT as often as possible so partner can show another feature economically if he wants.

I would only bid 3NT on a hand very suitable for No Trumps - at least two stoppers in spades the unbid suits and little support for partner's suit.

[Cascade]

helene_t, on Feb 18 2008, 06:06 AM, said:

Is 2♥ GF, or promising a rebid, or just forcing for one round? I think it should be GF in this particular case since responder can generally bid 3♣ with an invitational hand, but when opener could still have a 5-card only a non-GF reverse could be handy for some hands.

I actually play this as a one-round force.

What is responder supposed to do with an invitational hand without stoppers in both unbid majors?

Incidentally we are sort of forced to play responder's reverse as a one-round force given that we play 1x 1y; 2x 2NT as forcing. If the reverse was also game forcing then we would have no sensible bid with most ordinary invitational hands.