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You're playing a natural system where 2/1 bids are game forcing. You open the bidding with 1♠ on 5-4-2-2 distribution and whatever is minimum values in your style. The auction continues:
1♠ - 2♣
2♥ - 2NT
What next?
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Opener's 2nd Rebid
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Posted 2008-February-17, 12:45
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Posted 2008-February-17, 13:03
With minimum values I would always be bidding 3N here. Yes we could belong somewhere else but it's too hard for partner to figure out what we're doing if we don't have extra shape OR values and bid 3C on this.
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Posted 2008-February-17, 14:13
Maybe I don't understand the question, but unless I have a very strange hand isn't this just an obvious 3NT bid? What else am I supposed to do if I don't have extra values and I don't have extra shape?
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Posted 2008-February-17, 14:34
Bah..
KJxxx Axxx xx AQ and we aren't rebidding 3♣?
KJxxx Axxx xx AQ and we aren't rebidding 3♣?
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Posted 2008-February-17, 15:26
pclayton, on Feb 17 2008, 03:34 PM, said:
Bah..
KJxxx Axxx xx AQ and we aren't rebidding 3♣?
KJxxx Axxx xx AQ and we aren't rebidding 3♣?
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Posted 2008-February-17, 16:42
If 2/1 is 100% GF I'll always rebid 3NT with a minimum 5422.
However, in one partnership I play 1♠-2♣-x-3♣ as invite. There I'd rebid 3♣ on AQ over 2NT.
However, in one partnership I play 1♠-2♣-x-3♣ as invite. There I'd rebid 3♣ on AQ over 2NT.
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Posted 2008-February-18, 00:07
3NT it is.
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Posted 2008-February-18, 00:20
3NT - always!
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Posted 2008-February-21, 12:45
insta 3N
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Posted 2008-February-21, 14:23
3N.
Frankly, I am amazed that there are any votes for any alternative.
Frankly, I am amazed that there are any votes for any alternative.
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Posted 2008-February-21, 17:29
Okay, I agree with most everyone that 3NT is the normal bid.
The thing I'm wondering about, is that a lot of people have suggested bidding 2NT on:
(1) Hands with six clubs where the clubs are not good enough to play opposite singleton.
(2) Hands with a "positional" diamond holding like Qx.
Doesn't this suggest that automatically bidding 3NT with a hand including ♦xx and/or ♣AQ might lead to a bad result?
The thing I'm wondering about, is that a lot of people have suggested bidding 2NT on:
(1) Hands with six clubs where the clubs are not good enough to play opposite singleton.
(2) Hands with a "positional" diamond holding like Qx.
Doesn't this suggest that automatically bidding 3NT with a hand including ♦xx and/or ♣AQ might lead to a bad result?
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Posted 2008-February-21, 17:33
awm, on Feb 21 2008, 06:29 PM, said:
Okay, I agree with most everyone that 3NT is the normal bid.
The thing I'm wondering about, is that a lot of people have suggested bidding 2NT on:
(1) Hands with six clubs where the clubs are not good enough to play opposite singleton.
(2) Hands with a "positional" diamond holding like Qx.
Doesn't this suggest that automatically bidding 3NT with a hand including ♦xx and/or ♣AQ might lead to a bad result?
The thing I'm wondering about, is that a lot of people have suggested bidding 2NT on:
(1) Hands with six clubs where the clubs are not good enough to play opposite singleton.
(2) Hands with a "positional" diamond holding like Qx.
Doesn't this suggest that automatically bidding 3NT with a hand including ♦xx and/or ♣AQ might lead to a bad result?
Yes.
The right call might lead to a bad result.
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Posted 2008-February-21, 17:51
kenrexford, on Feb 21 2008, 06:33 PM, said:
awm, on Feb 21 2008, 06:29 PM, said:
Okay, I agree with most everyone that 3NT is the normal bid.
The thing I'm wondering about, is that a lot of people have suggested bidding 2NT on:
(1) Hands with six clubs where the clubs are not good enough to play opposite singleton.
(2) Hands with a "positional" diamond holding like Qx.
Doesn't this suggest that automatically bidding 3NT with a hand including ♦xx and/or ♣AQ might lead to a bad result?
The thing I'm wondering about, is that a lot of people have suggested bidding 2NT on:
(1) Hands with six clubs where the clubs are not good enough to play opposite singleton.
(2) Hands with a "positional" diamond holding like Qx.
Doesn't this suggest that automatically bidding 3NT with a hand including ♦xx and/or ♣AQ might lead to a bad result?
Yes.
The right call might lead to a bad result.
The second time lately I've been unable to improve on simply quoting Ken.
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Posted 2008-February-22, 10:32
I wouldn't call a 2N rebid on Qx of diamonds 'the right call'. I am not saying it should never be done, but I am saying I've never done it and doubt that I ever will.
Of course, if you believe that a preference to 2♠ has to show 3, you are more inclined to have real problems on this sequence than if it could be a doubleton (usually, for me, Hx or better)
But I agree entirely with the concept that correct systemic bidding, no matter what the system is, will occasionally generate a poor result: and I don't care what system you use.
Of course, if you believe that a preference to 2♠ has to show 3, you are more inclined to have real problems on this sequence than if it could be a doubleton (usually, for me, Hx or better)
But I agree entirely with the concept that correct systemic bidding, no matter what the system is, will occasionally generate a poor result: and I don't care what system you use.
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Posted 2008-February-22, 10:42
I'm not so sanguine about fixing myself here. Maybe my ♣AQ is a bad example, but surely there are some hands where ♠5-2, ♥4-3 or a club fit rates to be right.
I'm not saying there's a solution, but I'd be willing to listen if someone has a suggestion.
I'm not saying there's a solution, but I'd be willing to listen if someone has a suggestion.
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Posted 2008-February-22, 10:42
Of course, much of this, as Mike has suggested (and perhaps others) has a hidden question of when to bid 2NT, 3NT, 3♣, 3♦, or possibly 2♠ for some. In the assumed parameters I have, I cannot imagine bidding anything but 3NT with any honor holdings and 5422.
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