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Bidding problem

Poll: What to bid over 4clubs? (13 member(s) have cast votes)

What to bid over 4clubs?

  1. 4nt (1 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  2. 5clubs (9 votes [69.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 69.23%

  3. 4hearts (1 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  4. 4diamonds (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 4spades (1 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  6. 6clubs (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. 6hearts (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. something crazy (1 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

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#1 User is offline   Yogeshdg 

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Posted 2008-February-20, 17:44

Playing with my regular pd i held


I am south and my Partner opens.

Bidding goes 1 ( 4+)-p-1-2(by west)-2nt (good-bad)-p-3-p-4-p- what do I bid?
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Posted 2008-February-20, 17:49

I imagine that 3D directly would have been forcing last round so 4D now would clearly be a cue for clubs.

If your agreement is that 3D last round is not forcing then 4D might be more ambiguous and I would cue 4H. Since it would be the only clear cue it would not show or deny a heart control.

If you don't know if 3D would have been forcing then I think that you should discuss it before you play G/B again.

4C on the last round might have been a clearer call, if forcing.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-20, 17:53

Over 2nt good-bad we play following: Any bid up to 3 of openers suit is non forcing. Anything else is natural GF with cue of opps suit asking for stopper. so my 3 was asking for stopper whuich he denied by bidding 4.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 18:03

han, on Feb 20 2008, 06:49 PM, said:

I imagine that 3D directly would have been forcing last round so 4D now would clearly be a cue for clubs.

If your agreement is that 3D last round is not forcing then 4D might be more ambiguous and I would cue 4H. Since it would be the only clear cue it would not show or deny a heart control.

If you don't know if 3D would have been forcing then I think that you should discuss it before you play G/B again.

4C on the last round might have been a clearer call, if forcing.

Han?!? 3 last round is non-forcing and says you prefer diamonds if partner has both minors, which is the only way this is playable if 2NT can be either just diamonds or both minors.

4NT now would be a great bid if it would mean what I want it to (as would 4 similarly.) If I am worried about how either of those will be taken I'll just give up and bid 5.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 18:08

Donn i did bid 4nt :) and after 5 (RKC)landed in 6 which was -1 because he had 2 small .

Is expecting him to hold a singleton a good probability?
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Posted 2008-February-20, 18:26

Yogeshdg, on Feb 21 2008, 02:08 AM, said:

Is expecting him to hold a singleton a good probability?

I expected 2 or 3 hearts. Consider that more likely then a singleton after this bidding (especially opps bidding)
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Posted 2008-February-20, 20:09

jdonn, on Feb 20 2008, 07:03 PM, said:

han, on Feb 20 2008, 06:49 PM, said:

I imagine that 3D directly would have been forcing last round so 4D now would clearly be a cue for clubs.

If your agreement is that 3D last round is not forcing then 4D might be more ambiguous and I would cue 4H. Since it would be the only clear cue it would not show or deny a heart control.

If you don't know if 3D would have been forcing then I think that you should discuss it before you play G/B again.

4C on the last round might have been a clearer call, if forcing.

Han?!? 3 last round is non-forcing and says you prefer diamonds if partner has both minors, which is the only way this is playable if 2NT can be either just diamonds or both minors.

4NT now would be a great bid if it would mean what I want it to (as would 4 similarly.) If I am worried about how either of those will be taken I'll just give up and bid 5.

Sorry, was thinking 1C opener.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-21, 04:15

I think pard could have bid 4 (instead of 4) with a heart singleton. He should have something like, say,

x
xx
AQJxx
AJTxx

and our best bid is 5. Besides, RHO didn't raise hearts, so odds are pretty huge that pard has xx.
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Posted 2008-February-21, 11:14

Yogeshdg, on Feb 20 2008, 07:08 PM, said:

Donn i did bid 4nt :) and after 5 (RKC)landed in 6 which was -1 because he had 2 small .

You didn't understand my comment about 4NT. I only wanted to bid it if it was an ongoing move toward slam, not if it was RKC.
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Posted 2008-February-21, 12:44

Yogeshdg, on Feb 20 2008, 07:08 PM, said:

Is expecting him to hold a singleton a good probability?

No because they did not raise hearts and pard did not support double (dunno if you play that)
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Posted 2008-February-21, 17:18

Partner is a huge favorite to hold a heart control, I'd just bid 4N keycard and then 6C.
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Posted 2008-February-21, 17:50

Jlall, on Feb 21 2008, 06:18 PM, said:

Partner is a huge favorite to hold a heart control, I'd just bid 4N keycard and then 6C.

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Did you see the auction right pard?
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Posted 2008-February-21, 17:54

jdonn, on Feb 21 2008, 06:50 PM, said:

Jlall, on Feb 21 2008, 06:18 PM, said:

Partner is a huge favorite to hold a heart control, I'd just bid 4N keycard and then 6C.

:(
Did you see the auction right pard?

no I didn't. I thought RHO raised hearts lol... ok nm I would just bid 5C.
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Posted 2008-February-22, 06:10

1D - (Pass) - 1S - (2H)
2NT - (Pass) - 3H - (Pass)
4C - (Pass) - ???

5C

Assuming the stronger hands bid direct,
opener is limited, so slam is out.
Since 3H generated a game forcing situation
pass is out, opener denied 3 spades, and a
heart stopper, so 5C is what is left.

With kind regards
Marlowe
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Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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