[kgr]

Scoring: IMP

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(Pas)-Pas-(1NT)-2♦!
(Pas)-2♠!-(Pas)-4♥
(4♠)-Pas-(Pas)-DBL
All Pas
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1NT=15-17
2D!=6 card Major (Multi Landy)
2♠=At least 3card ♥, can be both preemptive or constructive
4♥=If partner has 3 card ♥ then I want to try for game
Playing a swiss against best team at table 1.
Do you agree with South's bidding?

[helene_t]

It's against the holy LOTT to bid 4 opposite a p who has promised only a 9-card fit. You need a way to show extra values. 2N or 3m should defined to to show this hand. I can easily say that, I never discussed it with any p myself

After S has shown his values, N can decide to double 4♠. Or not.

[inquiry]

No...

ok, 2♦ was ok.

ok, 4♥ was a small stretch, but you are vulnerable and have likely 6♥, 1♣ and 1♦ as sure winners, and a chance for a second diamond. So it will not be hurt too badly if it doesn't make, and vul games can be bid with such chances.

dbl seems clearly wrong. Where are the tricks coming from?

Partner had to have at least 3♥'s, maybe more. And since you leaped to game VUL and partner did nothing over 4♠, you got to think 2♠ was "preemptive" so at these colors will always contains more than three hearts. Opener, of course, should have at least two hearts, and easily can have three hearts. So you are looking at a minimum of 12 hearts not in LHO hand, and more often none. So you have at most one ♥ trick. You have a bad number of spades, but you probably have a club trick and a diamond trick. There simply is no way to tell if the ♦ jack is a winner. So you have from 2 to 3 tricks in your hand. After your vulnerable jump, if partner had a trick or two, he would likely double (at these colors your 4♥ can not have been preemptive).

[whereagles]

Agree with Ben. I think South and West are going both berserk

[jdonn]

2♦ good, 4♥ good. Double is clearly "wrong" but there are times I would do it here based on my read of the opponents.

[Cascade]

It all looks fine to me until the double of 4♠ - I can't see the defensive tricks.

[kgr]

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4♠ DBL'ed contract.
I had actually 2 good reasons to pass out the 4♠. The 1st one made clear by all the responses (thanks fo that), the 2nd is that my partner had a long think over 4♠.
But I just didn't like the inital pass and then bidding 4♠ of West, but I should have known better..I wasn't playing against beginners here.

[mikeh]

I have a question about the methods. What would partner have bid with 3+ in both majors? I suspect, based on the meaning ascribed to 2♠, that he would have bid more than 2♠. I.e. 2♠ was, I gather, pass or correct with a strong preference for hearts.

If so, then S has extra info that should alert him to the need to pass 4♠. He will know that the opps have a 9+ card fit.

It can be frustrating to bid your vul game and then have an opp seemingly take a wild stab and have to pass... but I think the auction has told you that either LHO was lying in the weeds, waiting (safely) for his turn, or he has guessed well. In either case, S has zero reason to double.

[kgr]

mikeh, on Mar 4 2008, 02:55 AM, said:

I have a question about the methods. What would partner have bid with 3+ in both majors? I suspect, based on the meaning ascribed to 2♠, that he would have bid more than 2♠. I.e. 2♠ was, I gather, pass or correct with a strong preference for hearts.

Right. With 3/3 Majors he would bid 3♥

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If so, then S has extra info that should alert him to the need to pass 4♠. He will know that the opps have a 9+ card fit.

This is something I don't do enough (probabky because it isn't very important on most bidding): reconstructing the hands during the bidding.

[ArtK78]

South has more reason to bid 5♥ than to double 4♠.

For all the reasons given by the posters, I would not be at all surprised if 4♠ is making. Now, given that partner is likely to have 4 hearts on this auction, it appears that we are going to make 9 or 10 tricks in hearts.

I don't know if I would have the guts to bid 5♥ over 4♠, but it is a better call than a double of 4♠.