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#1 User is offline   han 

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Posted 2008-March-11, 11:00

xxx xx AKQ AQxxx, pass pass 1S to you. All red, White House Juniors, your call?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-March-11, 11:10

han, on Mar 11 2008, 01:00 PM, said:

White House Juniors

what does this mean

I would bid 2♣ at MPs and pass at IMPs.

edit: I would also bid 2♣ opposite an unpassed partner

This post has been edited by Apollo81: 2008-March-11, 12:06

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Posted 2008-March-11, 11:20

1NT for me.
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Posted 2008-March-11, 11:25

2♣ and I don't consider it close.
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Posted 2008-March-11, 11:28

This is a joke, right? 2♣ is clear.
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Posted 2008-March-11, 11:31

2♣, this is where it's so good that these days I don't let the bad suit and shape and spade holding stop me.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2008-March-11, 12:03

Apollo81, on Mar 11 2008, 12:10 PM, said:

han, on Mar 11 2008, 01:00 PM, said:

White House Juniors

what does this mean

The white house junior tournament is currently on Vugraph. I find it hard to believe that a serious bridge player as yourself has never heard of the White House tournaments. This hand raised some interesting discussion among the commentators.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-March-11, 12:05

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I find it hard to believe that a serious bridge player as yourself has never heard of the White House tournaments.

Who posted this, do we have any Dutch on this forum?
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Posted 2008-March-11, 12:08

Well cherdano, apparently you do know what it is!
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-March-11, 12:09

han, on Mar 11 2008, 02:03 PM, said:

Apollo81, on Mar 11 2008, 12:10 PM, said:

han, on Mar 11 2008, 01:00 PM, said:

White House Juniors

what does this mean

The white house junior tournament is currently on Vugraph. I find it hard to believe that a serious bridge player as yourself has never heard of the White House tournaments. This hand raised some interesting discussion among the commentators.

Actually I'm not sure if I qualify as a serious bridge player anymore. I've only travelled to a NABC twice in the past 3.5 years, each time for only one weekend, and have travelled to 0 regionals outside of the DC area in that time. I am planning to go to Vegas though. I also get bored easily when kibitzing so basically never do it =)
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Posted 2008-March-12, 05:50

2C for me.
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Posted 2008-March-12, 05:53

I would bid 2♣ even if it was gerber. The problems might occur only next round.
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Posted 2008-March-12, 06:11

gwnn, on Mar 12 2008, 06:53 AM, said:

I would bid 2♣ even if it was gerber. The problems might occur only next round.

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Posted 2008-March-12, 06:19

2C and in stark contrast to many of the previous posters, at MPs I think it is close - VERY close. If the opening had been 1D, I would bid 2C without a qualm, but over 1S this has a lot to lose and I would not be surprised to go for a number. A (1M) 2m bid should promise a better suit than this. At Imps this is a clear pass and I don't think it's close.
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Posted 2008-March-12, 06:51

Pass, but apparently the better players bid 2♣ so I suppose I am wrong.
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Posted 2008-March-12, 11:51

2C..

lemme guess:

DON'T OVERCALL WITH 3 SMALL IN THEIR SUIT! DON'T OVERCALL WITH A BAD SUIT! DON'T OVERCALL WITH 5332!

OH THESE CRAZY JUNIORS, ALWAYS OVERBIDDING. SHOWING THEIR YOUTH WITH THIS OVERCALL, THEY HAVEN'T GONE FOR ENOUGH NUMBERS YET TO KNOW BETTER.
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Posted 2008-March-12, 11:55

Justin, they use "NEVER" not "DON'T".
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Posted 2008-March-12, 11:59

Jlall, on Mar 12 2008, 12:51 PM, said:

2C..

lemme guess:

DON'T OVERCALL WITH 3 SMALL IN THEIR SUIT! DON'T OVERCALL WITH A BAD SUIT! DON'T OVERCALL WITH 5332!

OH THESE CRAZY JUNIORS, ALWAYS OVERBIDDING. SHOWING THEIR YOUTH WITH THIS OVERCALL, THEY HAVEN'T GONE FOR ENOUGH NUMBERS YET TO KNOW BETTER.

Close, it was more something like:

"The Swedish junior at the other table had more sense and passed. Really overcalling is borderline at best"

junior commentator: "I actually like the overcall, I guess it is a matter of style"

"No, it is a matter of experience. Juniors don't know what fear is. The Swedish junior is an exception, she bids very grown up for her age"

etcetera
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Posted 2008-March-12, 12:36

han, on Mar 12 2008, 12:59 PM, said:

Jlall, on Mar 12 2008, 12:51 PM, said:

2C..

lemme guess:

DON'T OVERCALL WITH 3 SMALL IN THEIR SUIT! DON'T OVERCALL WITH A BAD SUIT! DON'T OVERCALL WITH 5332!

OH THESE CRAZY JUNIORS, ALWAYS OVERBIDDING. SHOWING THEIR YOUTH WITH THIS OVERCALL, THEY HAVEN'T GONE FOR ENOUGH NUMBERS YET TO KNOW BETTER.

Close, it was more something like:

"The Swedish junior at the other table had more sense and passed. Really overcalling is borderline at best"

junior commentator: "I actually like the overcall, I guess it is a matter of style"

"No, it is a matter of experience. Juniors don't know what fear is. The Swedish junior is an exception, she bids very grown up for her age"

etcetera

so predictable :)
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Posted 2008-March-12, 12:56

han, on Mar 12 2008, 01:59 PM, said:

Close, it was more something like:

"The Swedish junior at the other table had more sense and passed. Really overcalling is borderline at best"

junior commentator: "I actually like the overcall, I guess it is a matter of style"

"No, it is a matter of experience. Juniors don't know what fear is. The Swedish junior is an exception, she bids very grown up for her age"

etcetera

If bidding had worked out the conversation would have been:

junior commentator: "The Swedish junior at the other table was too timid and passed. Really passing is borderline at best"

other commentator: "I think passing is the sensible call on this hand, the overcall was quite lucky"

junior commentator: "Most Juniors don't know what fear is. They may go for numbers sometimes, but they don't miss games. The Swedish junior is an exception, she bids more like an older person compared to others her age"
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