[kgr]

Scoring: IMP

(P)-P-(P)-1H
1S-4H-All pass

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North had following bids available to show 4+ card H (pts given are agreed HCP).
4H=distributional
2NT=10+ (15+ with a singleton)
3C=7-10 (partner can ask more info like shortness with 3D)
3D=10-12 with singleton
3S=a void with 12-14
3NT/4C/4D=splinter with 12-14
3H=2-6
- -
Should South make a move after 4H?

This post has been edited by kgr: 2008-May-07, 16:01

[Fluffy]

the hand fits too perfectly I don't think I would do any better.

[jdonn]

It looks weird but I really like splinter on north's hand, I don't think it's too double dummy. I mean slam would be great if south had the AQ of diamonds less, I think the potential is just too great for 4♥. Hard to fault south, the 5 level is clearly not safe (xxx QJxxx x Kxxx for example).

I hadn't even noticed north was a passed hand. Now I agree with my post even more hehe.

[han]

I don't understand your system but I would show a spade splinter with the north hand.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

a splinter with the North hand looks reasonable,
... not a slam move, but as a preparation, if they
fight back up to 4S.

The only problem with this argument:
Partner opened in 4th seat, and they are red vs. green,
i.e. it is not likely that they will enter the auction, and
because of this , I think 4H is ok.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: I would suggest, that you change your agreements,
at least the amount of HCP you promise with certain bids.
Even assuming responder is not a passed hand.

[blewah]

I wouldn’t move on as South.

But using your system (if I read it correctly), as North, I would upgrade my hand and respond 3C. If South replied 3H, I could push to 4H. If he took the captaincy, instead, I’d be glad to respond within an agreed upon method.

Regards

[Codo]

4 Heart is a distrbutional raise and I have all suits controlled and distribution myself? Yes south should make a move. If North has so few HCPs as he actually has, he must have a great distribution. Or he has more HCPS and less distribution, so South should move.

[pclayton]

4♥ looks fine on the surface, but considering you would make the same call with x Qxxxx xxxxx xx, I think its an underbid.

I like the splinter too, and don't object to a fit jump.

[dcvetkov]

This hand has too much potential for 4H.
Spinter , yes but which one?

Probably spade is what partner wants to hear. Then South can make forward move with cue or 4NT. Not so sure about 7 though, will be worried about D loser

[Apollo81]

pclayton, on May 8 2008, 11:01 AM, said:

I like the splinter too, and don't object to a fit jump.

agree

[Vilgan]

I am extremely thankful that I am a passed hand, as splinter is now a lot more clear. If I was not, I would still splinter. However, I would be pretty nervous about getting too high as I did it.

I am not seeing a way to get to 7 hearts playing any sort of normal system. However, getting to 6 is still a very good thing so I'm never going to sweat missing 7 on this magic hand.

[mikeh]

This is a good example of the value of controls, rather than hcp. The North hand has 2 second round controls and an Ace as well as 5 trump... that fifth trump is an enormous card, since it suggests that clubs can be established, if need be, while retaining entries.

So I agree with those who would splinter, especially as a passed hand.

3♠ would absolutely get south to bid slam.. and to look for grand. In fact, after a splinter, in spades, if we were able to force S to make only 1 call, it might well be 7.. because he'd expect a better hand, in terms of hcp, than North actually has.

As it is, S has available to him an easy route to small.

Exactly how the auction develops would be influenced by systemic agreements on serious or frivilous 3N or other cue-bidding agreements.

In frivilous, S bids 4♦, and over a (conservative) 4♥, bids 4♠ to elicit 5♣ and now it is possible to hear a 6♣ cue by south and a 6♦ bid by North, and now grand will be bid for the wrong reason (S expecting the diamond King..... after all, that is far more likely than the actual 6=5 hand).

I'm not sure that I'd reach grand in my partnerships... it is too easy to be influenced by knowing the hands.

[cherdano]

kgr, on May 7 2008, 03:09 PM, said:

Quote

(P)-P-(P)-1H
1S-4H-All pass

North had following bids available to show 4+ card H (pts given are agreed HCP).
4H=distributional
2NT=10+ (15+ with a singleton)
3C=7-10 (partner can ask more info like shortness with 3D)
3D=10-12 with singleton
3S=a void with 12-14
3NT/4C/4D=splinter with 12-14
3H=2-6
- -
Should South make a move after 4H?

May I suggest that you consider giving up on bids showing 12-14 hcps by a passed hand?

[kgr]

kgr, on May 7 2008, 11:09 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

(P)-P-(P)-1H
1S-4H-All pass

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North had following bids available to show 4+ card H (pts given are agreed HCP).
4H=distributional
2NT=10+ (15+ with a singleton)
3C=7-10 (partner can ask more info like shortness with 3D)
3D=10-12 with singleton
3S=a void with 12-14
3NT/4C/4D=splinter with 12-14
3H=2-6
- -
Should South make a move after 4H?

Thanks for the answers. As splinter is suggested it should probably go with our system:
P-1H-(1S)-
3C-3D       (3D=asking)
3NT-4C     (3NT=singleton S; 4C=1st/2nd control)
4D-4NT     (4D=1st/2nd control; RKC)
5C-7H       (5C=4/1; 7H= expecting singelton S, 4 card H, Club A and Diam K)

cherdano said:

May I suggest that you consider giving up on bids showing 12-14 hcps by a passed hand?

Good suggestion ; We already have a complicated system and we will rather move to making it easier, but I'll think about if we should use these bids for something else with a passed hand