[FrancesHinden]

This hand is probably a little tough for the BI forum, but I'm sure everyone here will get it right without a problem... however at least two tables went off in a fairly late round

Scoring: IMP

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I don't know what the auction is as I was sitting out this set, but let's just say you end in 4S on a not very revealing auction (e.g. 1S - 3S limit - 4S)

You get the CK lead.
Plan the play
(trumps are not 4-0)

[655321]

DT&C

4 trumps, 2 hearts, ♣A, ♦A, and 2 diamond ruffs is 10 tricks.

[FrancesHinden]

655321, on May 7 2008, 03:06 PM, said:

DT&C

4 trumps, 2 hearts, ♣A, ♦A, and 2 diamond ruffs is 10 tricks.

That obviously doesn't work unless trumps are 2-2. You can't both draw trumps and make 4 trumps and two diamond ruffs.

[Codo]

I would duck and await the continuation.
Main plan obviously is to ruff the clubs, given RHO the length and no singelton King.

[gnasher]

FrancesHinden, on May 7 2008, 03:24 PM, said:

655321, on May 7 2008, 03:06 PM, said:

DT&C

4 trumps, 2 hearts, ♣A, ♦A, and 2 diamond ruffs is 10 tricks.

That obviously doesn't work unless trumps are 2-2. You can't both draw trumps and make 4 trumps and two diamond ruffs.

Eh? It works when trumps are 3-1 too. Looking at it from declarer's hand, you have five trumps, one ruff in dummy, two aces and two hearts.

The only possible problem is that after East wins the first heart they may play a club to the ten and queen, followed by a low club through dummy. However, you just discard a diamond from dummy, not caring whether East wins ♣J.

[gnasher]

Codo, on May 7 2008, 03:45 PM, said:

I would duck and await the continuation.

They continue with a club ruff and a diamond switch.

[FrancesHinden]

Jlall, on May 7 2008, 03:34 PM, said:

Without thinking too much I would win and lead a heart.

LHO wins the king and plays Queen of clubs (RHO following) and another club.

[gnasher]

Jlall, on May 7 2008, 04:12 PM, said:

I would shake a diamond. I'm virtually cold now. Pretty much I only go down to RHO having 2 clubs, 1 spade, and no heart honor, and not 6 small hearts, and LHO not leading from AK of hearts.

Sorry to keep banging on about this, but (given trumps not 4-0), you would have been completely cold had you drawn trumps before touching hearts.

[pclayton]

I think I'm playing a A♠, spade to the board and putting the ♥Q on the table.

If they attack diamonds, I win and hopefully take a ruffing finesse for 11.

If they cash a club and continue a high club I ruff high. If its a high then low club I pitch a la Justin.

[sfbp]

655321, on May 7 2008, 06:06 AM, said:

DT&C

4 trumps, 2 hearts, ♣A, ♦A, and 2 diamond ruffs is 10 tricks.

How exactly are you going to ruff *two* diamonds?

Stephen

[nige1]

FrancesHinden, on May 7 2008, 09:00 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

This hand is probably a little tough for the BI forum, but I'm sure everyone here will get it right without a problem... however at least two tables went off in a fairly late round. I don't know what the auction is as I was sitting out this set, but let's just say you end in 4S on a not very revealing auction (e.g. 1S - 3S limit - 4S)

You get the CK lead. Plan the play (trumps are not 4-0)

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Pretty problem, Frances At our BI level this is a double loser on loser play: Gnasher is right Win ♣A and test ♠. If ♠ are not 4-0, then there is a sure trick line: Draw 3 rounds of ♠ and lead ♥Q.

• If opponents lead ♣ twice more, then they set up ♣ tricks while you discard ♦s
  
• If opponents attack ♦ instead, then you win ♦A and discard a ♦ on a ♥

[gnasher]

nige1, on May 7 2008, 07:55 PM, said:

Gnasher is right

Hmm. I'm not sure that I welcome your apparent astonishment, but maybe I deserve it.

[nige1]

gnasher, on May 7 2008, 04:24 PM, said:

nige1, on May 7 2008, 07:55 PM, said:

Gnasher is right

Hmm. I'm not sure that I welcome your apparent astonishment, but maybe I deserve it.

= Amusement or Approval or Pleasure

[655321]

FrancesHinden, on May 7 2008, 09:24 AM, said:

655321, on May 7 2008, 03:06 PM, said:

DT&C

4 trumps, 2 hearts, ♣A, ♦A, and 2 diamond ruffs is 10 tricks.

That obviously doesn't work unless trumps are 2-2. You can't both draw trumps and make 4 trumps and two diamond ruffs.

OK, I thought this was just a baby dummy reversal, but I notice that my line is not a claimer - there are chances of losing 2 hearts and 2 clubs.

But, my line was 3 rounds of trumps, and the ♥Q. Now if they play a diamond you win the ♦A and play another heart pitching a diamond, and you are cold for 10 tricks - losing 2 hearts and 1 club.

But if they play 2 rounds of clubs when they win the heart, I missed that you need to guess what is happening in clubs (KQJx opposite xx, or KQx opposite Jxx), or you need the winner of the last heart not to have the last club. So, better to change tack (as suggested by another poster) and you are still 100% by setting up the clubs.

[sfbp]

Jlall, on May 7 2008, 09:10 AM, said:

sfbp, on May 7 2008, 12:09 PM, said:

655321, on May 7 2008, 06:06 AM, said:

DT&C

4 trumps, 2 hearts, ♣A, ♦A, and 2 diamond ruffs is 10 tricks.

How exactly are you going to ruff *two* diamonds?

Stephen

He is going to ruff dummies 2 diamonds. He is going to set up dummy (hence why he is taking 4 trump tricks, not 5).

ok, I see now the missing element, loser-on-loser in hearts/diams. And this can only happen because diamonds were not led.

On a diamond lead I think you have to follow Roland's idea of ruffing the third club (?high). 5 trumps + ruff, 2H and 2 aces.

Stephen

[jtfanclub]

655321, on May 7 2008, 05:14 PM, said:

But if they play 2 rounds of clubs when they win the heart, I missed that you need to guess what is happening in clubs (KQJx opposite xx, or KQx opposite Jxx), or you need the winner of the last heart not to have the last club.

I don't think that's true.

Let's say that we played 3 rounds of trump, play the heart, which loses. West takes a high club, and then plays a low club. I sluff a heart in dummy. Clubs were 3-3, so I lose the third club.

I ruff the heart return, play my two high clubs to discard the two losing diamonds in dummy, ace of diamonds, ruff a heart, ruff a diamond for the 13th trick.

I end up with 3 clubs, 3 spades, the ace of diamonds, two heart ruffs (in hand), and one diamond ruff (in dummy). 10 tricks.

EDIT: Suppose instead that they win the heart and play the diamond. I win the ace, and I do the ruffing finesse, and sluff a diamond. Now West wins the heart, plays a high club, then plays a low club. At this point, I do ruff the club, play my two winning hearts, and claim. Five spades (I haven't ruffed anything in hand at the point of the claim), one club ruff in dummy, Ace of clubs, ace of diamonds, two hearts. 10 tricks.

[FrancesHinden]

Yes, the thread has come to the conclusion (initially found by gnasher) that this is 100% if clubs aren't 4-0 by drawing three rounds of trumps, playing a heart, and not ruffing if LHO wins and plays clubs.

I know this went off at (at least) two tables with the play starting CK won in hand, heart up, CQ and a third club ruffed high, eventually losing a trick to the S10.

Strange how it seems so hard to see the winning line.

I can't tell you what I would have done at the table, I was sitting out, and when it came to score up I was told by a team-mate that his partner, xxx, had "gone off in a 100% contract"... once you know it is cold, it's easier to find the winning line.