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#1 User is offline   shevek 

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Posted 2008-August-04, 08:09

What should this be?

WEST   NORTH  EAST   SOUTH
1S        no        2S        4C ?

♠x  ♥xx  ♦Kxx  ♣KQJxxxx

or

♠x  ♥AQJxx  ♦xx  ♣KQJxx ?
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Posted 2008-August-04, 08:27

I prefer hand 1, most people I know prefer hand 2.
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Posted 2008-August-04, 08:30

I would bid 3S on hand 2
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Posted 2008-August-04, 09:52

It's certainly the natural option undiscussed, but the 5-5 option is a perfectly fine agreement.
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Posted 2008-August-04, 09:58

Over a 2M opening we play 3M is a strong 1-suiter (asking for a stop) but especially against opps who play constructive raises that is not necessary here I think. So 4m could be preemptive,
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Posted 2008-August-04, 10:05

Try DAPO(super MAF) where 3C = 5D5H; 3D =5C5H; 3H =5C5D cheap new suit is 2-suiter not bid. Above 3-steps is 1-suited preempt; X =1-suiter/3-suiter/bal w/o stop
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Posted 2008-August-04, 10:16

dake50, on Aug 4 2008, 11:05 AM, said:

Try DAPO(super MAF) where 3C = 5D5H; 3D =5C5H; 3H =5C5D cheap new suit is 2-suiter not bid. Above 3-steps is 1-suited preempt; X =1-suiter/3-suiter/bal w/o stop

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Posted 2008-August-04, 11:35

dake50, on Aug 4 2008, 11:05 AM, said:

Try DAPO(super MAF) where 3C = 5D5H; 3D =5C5H; 3H =5C5D cheap new suit is 2-suiter not bid.

I'm sure there's a really good reason for not having minor suit bids show that minor and the other major, rather than forcing to the 4 level for the minor... Wait, no I'm pretty sure there isn't.
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Posted 2008-August-04, 14:28

Option 1, but i know good players that prefer 2
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Posted 2008-August-04, 15:52

helene_t, on Aug 4 2008, 04:58 PM, said:

Over a 2M opening we play 3M is a strong 1-suiter (asking for a stop) but especially against opps who play constructive raises that is not necessary here I think. So 4m could be preemptive,

It sounds as though your reason for playing Leaping Michaels is to release a 3♠ bid for stop-asking purposes.

I'd regard that as no more than a useful side effect. The reason that I play Leaping Michaels is to make it easier to judge what to do when they bid 4♠ over my two-suited overcall.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-August-04, 15:54

I prefer the two-suited meaning, but most of my partners disagree.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-August-04, 16:32

A toss-up for me. Whatever partner prefers, if nothing we just play natural.

Btw, anybody who knows a good advancing system after a leaping michaels? Where you can probe for slam intelligently?
(Sorry for hijacking :D)
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Posted 2008-August-04, 17:26

I read this a long time ago on a different bridge forum (translated from Dutch):

After 2H:

4C spades and clubs.
................4D......sets spades as trump.
................4H......sets clubs as trump.
................4S......to play
................4NT....RKC for clubs.

4D spades and diamonds.
................4H.......sets spades as trump.
................4S.......to play.
................4NT.....RKC for diamonds.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-August-04, 19:30

han, on Aug 4 2008, 06:26 PM, said:

I read this a long time ago on a different bridge forum (translated from Dutch):

After 2H:

4C spades and clubs.
................4D......sets spades as trump.
................4H......sets clubs as trump.
................4S......to play
................4NT....RKC for clubs.

4D spades and diamonds.
................4H.......sets spades as trump.
................4S.......to play.
................4NT.....RKC for diamonds.

Sounds reasonable. But what after 2S? Perhaps:

After 2S-4C (H+C)
--4D with hearts
--4S with clubs
--4NT RKC for clubs

After 2S-4D (H+D)
--?
Hmm
4S and 4NT, maybe best if 4S shows diamonds and 4N hearts, so we have the same amount of space.

I've heard about a pair that uses "Maybe-Blackwood" after some of the trump setting replies.
In "Maybe-Blackwood", you only show aces with extras, reserving step1 for any minimum. Responder can then ask again if he is still interested.

I don't know which trump setting replies that particular pair uses.
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Posted 2008-August-04, 20:27

They used the rule that the cheapest bid that's not one of the shown suit supports the major.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-August-05, 00:51

Prefer 2), but I make sure to always have an agreement.
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