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#1 User is offline   VegasVern 

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Posted 2009-March-15, 23:05

No interference from the opposition. After North's 1D open I bid 1H...should have bid spades first I think...But I had another chance to bid 3S later on but didn't...ended up in 3N...bad board...Thanks


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1 1
2 2
2NT 3NT
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Posted 2009-March-15, 23:12

I'd bid:

1 - 1(1)
2(2) - 3(3)
4

(1) With 5-5 in the majors, it is normal to respond in spades. This lets you bid hearts later more conveniently.

(2) I like to raise with three-card support and a side singleton. I'm sure some people would rebid 2, in which case the auction might continue with 3-4.

(3) It's worth looking for a possible better fit in hearts.
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Posted 2009-March-15, 23:13

Im not a guy but I bid first.
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
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Posted 2009-March-16, 00:14

Thanks, and you too JillyBean (guy is generic :P)

Looks like I messed up. :P
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Posted 2009-March-16, 04:05

1 1
2 2
2 4

Responder could get excited and try to get to slam, though.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

Besides playing for fun, most people also like to play bridge to win


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Posted 2009-March-16, 05:13

I hate rasing with just three cards but this hand is best bid with the way Adam suggested.

When you rebid 2 Diamond, be sure to know, what your partner rebids show. Many people have different agreements, whether 2 and/or 3 are forcing.
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Posted 2009-March-16, 06:38

1 - 1
2 - 2
3 - 4

I would bid spades before hearts because 1 then 2 is reverse, and responder's hand with only 13 points and quite likely no fit isn't worth a reverse.

Give me Q instead of x and I will reverse.

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Posted 2009-March-16, 06:41

petergreat, on Mar 16 2009, 07:38 PM, said:

1 - 1
2 - 2
3 - 4

I would bid spades before hearts because 1 then 2 is reverse, and responder's hand with only 13 points and quite likely no fit isn't worth a reverse.

Give me Q instead of x and I will reverse.

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Even with 20 points you should bid 1S before 1H. A reverse shows the first bid suit is longer.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
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Posted 2009-March-16, 08:09

petergreat, on Mar 16 2009, 07:38 AM, said:

1 - 1
2 - 2
3 - 4

I would bid spades before hearts because 1 then 2 is reverse, and responder's hand with only 13 points and quite likely no fit isn't worth a reverse.

Give me Q instead of x and I will reverse.

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'reversing' by bidding the suits in the wrong order is a beginner's mistake... never ever distort shape when strong enough to game force opposite partner's opening bid. Always bid shape correctl in these situations, else partner will get the wrong idea of your hand: respond 1 and bid spades twice will show 5=6 or better... and positively deny that spades are equal in length to hearts.
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Posted 2009-March-16, 08:15

petergreat, on Mar 16 2009, 07:38 AM, said:

1 - 1
2 - 2
3 - 4

I would bid spades before hearts because 1 then 2 is reverse, and responder's hand with only 13 points and quite likely no fit isn't worth a reverse.

Give me Q instead of x and I will reverse.

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Hi,

why do you want to make a reverse?
The simple answer is, you want to prevent partner
from passing, since you need another round of bidding
to tell partner, what you are holding.

And this leads us to the core issue of the problem:

In the sequence

1D - 1S
2D - 2H

2H is forcing.

Repeat: A new suit by responder is forcing, unless you
specifically agreed to play it as nonforcing.
Depending on agreement, it is not 100% clear, if 2H is
natural, but it is forcing.

And because 2H in this seq. is forcing, you dont need to
invent a reverse.

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Posted 2009-March-16, 21:54

1-1 (with 5-5, bid higher ranking first)
2-3
4-pass

Opener's hand is fine for a 3-card raise, but with 6 diamonds I'd rather rebid those first.

Responder's jump rebid is game-forcing and shows 5+ spades, 4+ hearts. Since it is normal to bid hearts first with 4-4, responding spades-then-hearts always promises 5+ spades.

Opener could bid 3 on round 3, thinking this saves bidding room; but sometimes he has to bid that with only a doubleton, such as Ax xxx AKJ10xx xx . Jumping to 4 makes it clear he has real spade support.

Responder should consider trying for slam over 4, however, that heart suit may be hard to establish with only 3 trumps opposite and the singleton in partner's long suit is not encouraging.
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Posted 2009-March-17, 08:25

1
1 Cannot imagine anything else
2 Clear....Good trumps, ruffing value, bad

From here, it gets murky, a slam try would be made but if the shortness is revealed we would stop in game.
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Posted 2009-March-17, 08:29

I agree with everyone here..
your 2 spade bid sounds like 4 spades....
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Posted 2009-March-17, 12:31

1-1 is the normal start. Now it depends if you rebid 2 or 2, but either way responder can bid to show a 5-4 or 5-5 distribution with 5. After that, there's no problem to get to 4.
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