[cnszsun]

Scoring: IMP

1♥-(1♠)-?

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Will you consider LHO's possible preemptive bidding when you make your decison?

[hrothgar]

4S looks right

Nice mixture of preemptive and constructive qualities.
Just hope that I know whether we're playing DOPI/DEPO/ or what...

[luis]

4s is the best bid.

[Free]

automatic 4♠, whatever it means. 3♠ would show a stiff, 4♠ sure shows a void...

[whereagles]

I'm bidding 4♦ here, and later bid 5♣ if pard passes or doubles 4♠.

Don't like voidwood because if I hear 2 keys and they turn out to be ♥AK, I'm in trouble on the obvious club lead.

[Flame]

whereagles, on May 21 2004, 09:32 AM, said:

I'm bidding 4♦ here, and later bid 5♣ if pard passes or doubles 4♠.

Don't like voidwood because if I hear 2 keys and they turn out to be ♥AK, I'm in trouble on the obvious club lead.

I see the problem but this problem is only when partner has only the AK heart of the keycards, only a club lead only when partner has no K of club or sgl, or even the Q. How will bidding 4d make it better ? will you know more about the cards you need ?

[Trpltrbl]

4♠ is best bid.

Mike

[mikestar]

hrothgar, on May 21 2004, 12:21 PM, said:

4S looks right

Nice mixture of preemptive and constructive qualities.
Just hope that I know whether we're playing DOPI/DEPO/ or what...

I agree provided that our agreements are in order and partner will recognize it as voidwood and know what to do if they bid 5S.

If this is not the case, I bid 6H.

[Flame]

mikestar, on May 21 2004, 03:09 PM, said:

hrothgar, on May 21 2004, 12:21 PM, said:

4S looks right

Nice mixture of preemptive and constructive qualities.
Just hope that I know whether we're playing DOPI/DEPO/ or what...

I agree provided that our agreements are in order and partner will recognize it as voidwood and know what to do if they bid 5S.

If this is not the case, I bid 6H.

It doesnt have to be voidwood, just show a void and slam invitation, exactly what you have, partner will now estimate his hand based on your spade void.

[the hog]

4D fit showing. The D suit is too good a source of tricks to ignore. As usual I like to let my partner in on the decision making process. Thus not 4S.

[EricK]

The_Hog, on May 22 2004, 12:08 AM, said:

4D fit showing. The D suit is too good a source of tricks to ignore. As usual I like to let my partner in on the decision making process. Thus not 4S.

What do you do if the bidding proceeds (4S) X?

Do you pass because you have let partner in on the desicion making process, or do you bid on (5C?) because of your extra offence?

Eric

[the hog]

Neither, I x to show a full value raise - note NOT penalties. Partner will be able to work out my S length to a s/t, probably not void.

[EricK]

The_Hog, on May 22 2004, 06:54 AM, said:

Neither, I x to show a full value raise - note NOT penalties. Partner will be able to work out my S length to a s/t, probably not void.

I don't think you understood my question.

The bidding has gone

1♥ 1♠ 4♦ 4♠
X P ?

[the hog]

You are right, I did not.
Pass! We are in a forcing auction and pass by opener would be forcing. His X is therefore totally penalty oriented. He has 3 decent s cards and my hand is not so great anymore.

[Fluffy]

I have a doubt between 3♠ and 4♦, Don´t feel strong enough for 4♠.

4♦ will help us better on competitive bidding, but I think 3♠ can help a bit more looking for slam, instead of forcing our patner to show his key cards, I prefer to make splinter, and if able reopen with 4♠, that shows void with limit values for slam, and partner is the guy to ask for keycards if likes to do so.

[EricK]

The_Hog, on May 22 2004, 10:27 AM, said:

You are right, I did not.
Pass! We are in a forcing auction and pass by opener would be forcing. His X is therefore totally penalty oriented. He has 3 decent s cards and my hand is not so great anymore.

So 4♦ sets up a forcing pass?

If you have that agreement that is fine, but I didn't think it was standard for fit jumps to do that.

Eric

[the hog]

Yeah EricK, we do. Jump to 3D would not, but 4D says we want to play this. Don't know whether it is standard or not.

[inquiry]

I also play 4!d fit jumps for a major establish a forcing pass situation.

Ben

[EricK]

inquiry, on May 22 2004, 01:27 PM, said:

I also play 4!d fit jumps for a major establish a forcing pass situation.

Ben

Maybe it is standard then (if anything about fit jumps can be called standard).

It certainly makes sense as an agreement, but it does mean you need to have a minimum defensive strength in your fit jumps.

♠x ♥xxxxx ♦KQJTx ♣xx looks like a FJ to the 4 level if it doesn't set up a forcing pass, but not if it does.

Eric

[mishovnbg]

When I vote for 4♠ ERKCB I rely on my experience. In all boards where I late to use it I had difficulties and most of time unsuccessful guessing at higher levels of competition. In opposite case I played really few cases at 5 level for down 1 or even too.
Misho