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You have this hand as North and auction starts with E as dealer:
p-2♣-p-2♦
p-3nt-p-?
Your 2♦ is "waiting" and you don't have any special treatments;
Do you make a move and if so, what is your call?
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Posted 2009-September-28, 07:59
You have this hand as North and auction starts with E as dealer:
p-2♣-p-2♦
p-3nt-p-?
Your 2♦ is "waiting" and you don't have any special treatments;
Do you make a move and if so, what is your call?
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Posted 2009-September-28, 08:10
fachiru, on Sep 28 2009, 08:59 AM, said:
Scoring: IMP
You have this hand as North and auction starts with E as dealer:
p-2♣-p-2♦
p-3nt-p-?
Your 2♦ is "waiting" and you don't have any special treatments;
Do you make a move and if so, what is your call?
Well I use
1NT=15-17
1m-1x-2NT=18-19
2NT=20-21
2c-2x-2NT=22-23
2c-2x-3NT=24-25
and 25+6=31<33
so my call is Pass
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Posted 2009-September-28, 08:33
25 to 27 with my partner, and some tricks in my hand. Stayman 4c. Hope partner does not have spades, actually, so I can show my diamond suit.
"Bidding Spades to show spades can work well." (Kenberg)
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Posted 2009-September-28, 09:53
4NT. In fact if I knew partner had enough keycards/controls for sure I would bid 6. The very strong balanced hands always make a TON of tricks opposite a long suit or two.
Ok thinking more about hands partner can have, the 6 is a slight exageration (not if we are 3262 though) but I'll stick with 4.
Ok thinking more about hands partner can have, the 6 is a slight exageration (not if we are 3262 though) but I'll stick with 4.
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Posted 2009-September-28, 12:51
4NT seems reasonable and will probably work.
What I am wondering, is how would partner bid a really wacky huge balanced hand, like a 30 count or so.
What I am wondering, is how would partner bid a really wacky huge balanced hand, like a 30 count or so.
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Posted 2009-September-28, 16:35
billw55, on Sep 28 2009, 07:51 PM, said:
What I am wondering, is how would partner bid a really wacky huge balanced hand, like a 30 count or so.
I think he has to bid a 4-card suit over 2♦, and hope to find out enough about responder's strength to be able to place the contract. The alternative is 2♣-2♦;4NT, but that's horrible.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-September-28, 16:58
billw55, on Sep 28 2009, 08:51 PM, said:
4NT seems reasonable and will probably work.
What I am wondering, is how would partner bid a really wacky huge balanced hand, like a 30 count or so.
What I am wondering, is how would partner bid a really wacky huge balanced hand, like a 30 count or so.
For a while, I played Multi and Kokish relay. This lead to:
2NT: 20-21
2♣-2♦; 2NT: 22-23
2♦-2x; 2NT: 24-25
2♣-2♦; 2♥-2♠; 2NT: 26-27
2♣-2♦; 3NT: 28-29
2♦-2x; 3NT: 30-31
2♣-2♦; 2♥-2♠; 3NT: 32-33
The last auction actually came up once!
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Posted 2009-September-28, 19:42
Well, a typical hand for partner here would be something like
AKx
AQJ
Kxx
AQJx
6 looks pretty reasonable, so I just bid it and don't give them the chance to suggest a lead. Without the JT of ♦ I would pass.
AKx
AQJ
Kxx
AQJx
6 looks pretty reasonable, so I just bid it and don't give them the chance to suggest a lead. Without the JT of ♦ I would pass.
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Posted 2009-September-28, 19:55
If 2D-waiting accepts GF, partner can 2N to allow exploring. Why 3N? Why no 2S? Sounds like running clubs --that's not good!
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Posted 2009-September-28, 20:02
Sometimes quantitative is best. If responder can show a reasonable 5 card suit over 2♣ there is absolutely no reason not to make a nice quantitative bid. In fact, with one partner I had a way of showing both 26-27 and 28-29 counts. It didn't cost us useful sequences, and on the few occasions it came it, we almost always earned a top by having a way to show the hand.
2♣ auctions are normally iffy enough...overloading a not-overly descriptive bid does NOT improve things.
2♣ auctions are normally iffy enough...overloading a not-overly descriptive bid does NOT improve things.
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Posted 2009-September-29, 02:26
TylerE, on Sep 29 2009, 01:42 AM, said:
Well, a typical hand for partner here would be something like
AKx
AQJ
Kxx
AQJx
6 looks pretty reasonable, so I just bid it and don't give them the chance to suggest a lead. Without the JT of ♦ I would pass.
AKx
AQJ
Kxx
AQJx
6 looks pretty reasonable, so I just bid it and don't give them the chance to suggest a lead. Without the JT of ♦ I would pass.
wowo, I'd think tht a typical had was
♠AK10
♥Q
♦Kx
♣AKQJxxx
I guess I play differetn methods than anyone
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Posted 2009-September-29, 03:14
I'd bid 5NT, asking for suits up the line.
The idea of using 5NT, over all notrump opening bids, as asking for suits up the line was something I had not come across in England but is completely standard in Scotland (perhaps @nige1 knows who started this).
It does make some sense as the quantitative 5NT never seems to come up.
The idea of using 5NT, over all notrump opening bids, as asking for suits up the line was something I had not come across in England but is completely standard in Scotland (perhaps @nige1 knows who started this).
It does make some sense as the quantitative 5NT never seems to come up.
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Posted 2009-September-29, 04:38
Fluffy, on Sep 29 2009, 09:26 AM, said:
wowo, I'd think tht a typical had was
♠AK10
♥Q
♦Kx
♣AKQJxxx
I guess I play differetn methods than anyone
♠AK10
♥Q
♦Kx
♣AKQJxxx
I guess I play differetn methods than anyone
No, you play different methods than those in use for this problem, where '2♦ is "waiting" and you don't have any special treatments' Given those conditions, there seems to be no workable alternative to using 3NT as a balanced hand.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-September-29, 07:17
I don't think playing 2NT as any balanced is so special really.
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Posted 2009-September-29, 07:25
Fluffy, on Sep 29 2009, 08:17 AM, said:
I don't think playing 2NT as any balanced is so special really.
Means you play in game, usually going off with 23-24 opposite zero, most people play 2♣-2♦-2N as the only non game forcing auction after 2♣, certainly in the UK, not sure elsewhere.
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