[gnasher]

Scoring: IMP

pass 1♦ 1♠ 2♥
?

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Opponents play a 12-14 notrump, and 1♦ promised four. In this situation, partner would preempt quite aggressively.

[gwnn]

I would go for 3, this hand won't play so well because of the diamond overruffs but they still rate to make 4♥ and maybe they'll miss it or partner can bid 4♠ over it. 2♠ is milquetoast and 4♠ is too unilateral (because of the ♦ overruffs). If you don't play a mixed raise here 3♠ is best.

edit: on further consideration even if you played one 3red as a mixed raise it wouldn't make much sense to use it.

[OleBerg]

3♠ seems to be the book-bid, but it wouldn't take much of a read on my opponents, to make it 4♠.

[655321]

4♠ for me.

If we bid less than 4♠, it seems we are hoping for one of 2 things: that partner does our job for us and bids 4♠ over 4♥, or we pass 4♥ out and it doesn't make (and we also can't make 4♠).

I would much rather force LHO to choose between not showing his heart support, and showing it at the 5 level. Also we have 4 card support, an Ace and a singleton, so 4♠ will usually be an OK spot anyway.

[rhm]

4♠

The hand is worth an invitational raise (not a preemptive raise to 3♠).
But since I am not going to defend 4♥ I will accept my own invitation.
Your spade honors are useless in defense.

Most of the time LHO will not have an easy decision if you bid 4 ♠ immediately.
He is unlikely to have ♠ tricks

Bidding anything less and then 4♠ over 4♥ will make double easy when this is best for the opponents.

Raising ♠ and then passing 4♥ is even worse in the long run.

Rainer Herrmann

[andy_h]

Agree with 4♠. 4♥ could easily make with their heart honours onside and diamonds dropping so letting LHO guess to bid at the 5 level or not seems like good prospects.

[billw55]

Also 4♠. As for overruffs, north can count diamonds too, and ruff high in his hand. It's nice to have strong trumps in dummy

[fachiru]

I feel 4♠ is more likely to go down 1 than to make or go down more.
Anything can happen, but I don't think 3♠ will buy it now, so I'll offer 200 to opps. now and leave them the last guess: take it or go for more?

[Fluffy]

Certainly we have too much for 3♠, a mixed raise with 3♦ sounds apropiate if agreed.

with no agreements I join the crowd that thikns that this hands fits very well that deserves to play 4♠

[pooltuna]

gnasher, on Oct 5 2009, 04:05 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

pass 1♦ 1♠ 2♥
?

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Opponents play a 12-14 notrump, and 1♦ promised four. In this situation, partner would preempt quite aggressively.

Make whatever call you use for a limit raise of ♠

[jdonn]

Certainly too good for 3♠ and for me clearly too good for a mixed raise. I could cuebid, but I think 4♠ now is a good bid.

[hanp]

Agree that the hand is worth a limit raise but that 4S is a better bid.

[Phil]

The possibilities are:

- 3♥ (mixed)
- 4♥ (splinter)
- 4♠.

I would delusioned if I thought we were buying this for 3♠, so a mixed (or limit) raise is out.

I don't have a strong preference between 4♥ and 4♠, but 4♥ might lead to a successful 5♠ across from a 6214.

There's an excellent chance LHO has a strong NT here, judging from our diamond length.

[hanp]

That's two people mentioning a mixed raise!?!

[jdonn]

Phil, on Oct 5 2009, 11:10 AM, said:

I don't have a strong preference between 4♥ and 4♠, but 4♥ might lead to a successful 5♠ across from a 6214.

Since it shows a (way) better hand, it might also lead to an unsuccessful blackwood bid. Semi-preemptive splinters would potentially be a very useful agreement on this hand but unfortunately I don't play them.

[Phil]

hanp, on Oct 5 2009, 11:14 AM, said:

That's two people mentioning a mixed raise!?!

Oh c'mon HanP a MR is not that far off. Certainly it would be clear with a 4243.

[jdonn]

Phil, on Oct 5 2009, 11:22 AM, said:

hanp, on Oct 5 2009, 11:14 AM, said:

That's two people mentioning a mixed raise!?!

Oh c'mon HanP a MR is not that far off. Certainly it would be clear with a 4243.

If the hand was 4243 and you mentioned a splinter and han mocked it, would you say oh come on it's not that far off?

[neilkaz]

I will bid 4♠ here. Maybe it makes, more likely it doesn't IMO, but the opps don't know that and I almost certainly think that they can make 4♥ and no way will I let them play it.

4♠ now and let the opps make the last guess and if opener wants to show his ♥ support he can now do so at the 5 level.

I don't care for any monkeying around with ♥ bids trying to show a mixed raise or splinter or whatever since these allow opener to show PD his ♥ support by doubling.

[Codo]

I think Andy asked to make the majority feel good with their 4 ♠ bid.
I want to feel good too and my opps will feel the pressure.

[gnasher]

In fact I asked because at the table I made a pathetic 3♠ bid, and I was hoping that the responses here would make me feel better about it. Oh well.