[nigel_k]

Scoring: IMP

1♦-P-1♥-P
3♦-P-3NT-AP

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3NT -1 and 5♦ makes.

[neilkaz]

This honestly looks rather normal to me and I'd expect the same bidding with my 2/1 PD's.

[the hog]

Looks normal to me as well. Surprised that west did not overcall 1S which would have made it easier for you.
I blame your methods. I much prefer an artificial 2NT bid with the South hand.

[Jlall]

How is 3N normal with this hand lol? Just chalk getting to stupid 3Ns up to bad luck I guess! Bidding 3H is normal. If partner has a spade stopper and no club stopper over that he will bid 3S. If he has 3 hearts he can raise to 4H.

If you had a spade stopper and no club stopper you can bid 3S over 3D. If partner has a club stopper and no spade stopper he can bid 3N over that.

The problem hands are when you have a club stopper and no spade stopper and FOUR hearts because bidding 3H is not an option then. With that hand type you tough it up and bid 3N.

[neilkaz]

Jlall, on Oct 11 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

How is 3N normal with this hand lol? Just chalk getting to stupid 3Ns up to bad luck I guess! Bidding 3H is normal. If partner has a spade stopper and no club stopper over that he will bid 3N. If he has 3 hearts he can raise to 4H.

If you had a spade stopper and no club stopper you can bid 3S over 3D. If partner has a club stopper and no spade stopper he can bid 3N over that.

The problem hands are when you have a club stopper and no spade stopper and FOUR hearts because bidding 3H is not an option then. With that hand type you tough it up and bid 3N.

Bravo !! Wonderful explanation and clearly telling me that I am far off base for my explanation and waking me up to the fact that I play that 3♥ would be GF and shows at least a fair 5 card suit.

After the given bidding even the cat on the desk next to me can bang down a top♠ and see what happens (in this case Q drops and PD signals "mmmmmmm" and party over).

Also in reply to Ron from "down under"..not everyone overcall 1♠ with 6 HCP and a suit headed by JT. Here we see where silence carries the day...but sometimes it doesn't. I also don't overcalls..it is too weak and also not right for Michaels.

[barryallen]

When you make the 3♦ bid it is obvious the stifling effect this can have. A simple 2♣ forcing will get the job done if your system permits.

These type of hands are always a problem and I have lost count of the number of times I have seen a careful sequence of bids gaining very little and doing more to direct the opposition than gain yourself. At MP's it can easily lead to a poor result and with the layout of these cards it would not surprise me of many 3NT contracts making.

[the hog]

barryallen, on Oct 12 2009, 03:14 PM, said:

When you make the 3♦ bid it is obvious the stifling effect this can have. A simple 2♣ forcing will get the job done if your system permits.

These type of hands are always a problem and I have lost count of the number of times I have seen a careful sequence of bids gaining very little and doing more to direct the opposition than gain yourself. At MP's it can easily lead to a poor result and with the layout of these cards it would not surprise me of many 3NT contracts making.

As 2C is nf, that would be a great bid.
I guess 3H is ok. For me it shows 6 hearts, but as i said, I play a different method.

[jdonn]

3♥ is so normal. This is the fault of the north who didn't make that bid. How is this not predictable if north doesn't bid 3♥? We are going around blaming the standard methods and the opponents for not overcalling on a terrible hand with a terrible suit, and meanwhile ignorring that we have totally misbid ourselves!

[Phil]

3♥ promising a six bagger hasn't been in vogue since the Reagan years.

3♥ is clear.

[Cyberyeti]

The_Hog, on Oct 11 2009, 09:05 PM, said:

Looks normal to me as well. Surprised that west did not overcall 1S which would have made it easier for you.
I blame your methods. I much prefer an artificial 2NT bid with the South hand.

Completely agree, my partner and I would start the bidding on this hand:

1♦-1♥
2N(GF unbalanced)-3♣ (semi forced)
3♦-3♥(yes I have a 5th one)

after this it's not clear where we go but it won't be 3N, might be 4♥ rather than 5♦ though.

[pooltuna]

Cyberyeti, on Oct 12 2009, 10:56 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Oct 11 2009, 09:05 PM, said:

Looks normal to me as well. Surprised that west did not overcall 1S which would have made it easier for you.
I blame your methods. I much prefer an artificial 2NT bid with the South hand.

Completely agree, my partner and I would start the bidding on this hand:

1♦-1♥
2N(GF unbalanced)-3♣ (semi forced)
3♦-3♥(yes I have a 5th one)

after this it's not clear where we go but it won't be 3N, might be 4♥ rather than 5♦ though.

I suppose you Instant Message partner so he can tell the difference between when 2NT means this hand and when it means the 18-19 balanced

[Jlall]

Made an obvious typo in my first post but just to clarify I meant if he has a spade stopper and no club stopper he will bid 3S over 3H, and then we will bid 3N.

[Cyberyeti]

pooltuna, on Oct 12 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

Cyberyeti, on Oct 12 2009, 10:56 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Oct 11 2009, 09:05 PM, said:

Looks normal to me as well. Surprised that west did not overcall 1S which would have made it easier for you.
I blame your methods. I much prefer an artificial 2NT bid with the South hand.

Completely agree, my partner and I would start the bidding on this hand:

1♦-1♥
2N(GF unbalanced)-3♣ (semi forced)
3♦-3♥(yes I have a 5th one)

after this it's not clear where we go but it won't be 3N, might be 4♥ rather than 5♦ though.

I suppose you Instant Message partner so he can tell the difference between when 2NT means this hand and when it means the 18-19 balanced

No, we play a weak no trump and 15 to a bad 19 1N rebid with the 2N opener good 19-22, it's always a GF unbalanced hand.

[the hog]

pooltuna, on Oct 12 2009, 11:08 PM, said:

Cyberyeti, on Oct 12 2009, 10:56 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Oct 11 2009, 09:05 PM, said:

Looks normal to me as well. Surprised that west did not overcall 1S which would have made it easier for you.
I blame your methods. I much prefer an artificial 2NT bid with the South hand.

Completely agree, my partner and I would start the bidding on this hand:

1♦-1♥
2N(GF unbalanced)-3♣ (semi forced)
3♦-3♥(yes I have a 5th one)

after this it's not clear where we go but it won't be 3N, might be 4♥ rather than 5♦ though.

I suppose you Instant Message partner so he can tell the difference between when 2NT means this hand and when it means the 18-19 balanced

Instead of making fatuous comments, you might consider follow ups to a 3C relay to describe hand types.

[Cyberyeti]

The_Hog, on Oct 12 2009, 07:22 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Oct 12 2009, 11:08 PM, said:

Cyberyeti, on Oct 12 2009, 10:56 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Oct 11 2009, 09:05 PM, said:

Looks normal to me as well. Surprised that west did not overcall 1S which would have made it easier for you.
I blame your methods. I much prefer an artificial 2NT bid with the South hand.

Completely agree, my partner and I would start the bidding on this hand:

1♦-1♥
2N(GF unbalanced)-3♣ (semi forced)
3♦-3♥(yes I have a 5th one)

after this it's not clear where we go but it won't be 3N, might be 4♥ rather than 5♦ though.

I suppose you Instant Message partner so he can tell the difference between when 2NT means this hand and when it means the 18-19 balanced

Instead of making fatuous comments, you might consider follow ups to a 3C relay to describe hand types.

We play over 1♦-1♥-2N-3♣

2N is GF, 3♣ is forced unless you have a 7 card suit or 5-5+ or a really bad hand with 3 card support for partner.

3♦=6+♦, does not deny 3♥, not 4♠ or 4♣
3♥=5♦, 3♥ probably 4 bad ♣
3♠=6♦, 4♠
3N=6♦, 4♣
4♣=3451 (or 2461)
4♦=1453 (or 1462)
4♥=2452

[pooltuna]

The_Hog, on Oct 12 2009, 07:22 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Oct 12 2009, 11:08 PM, said:

Cyberyeti, on Oct 12 2009, 10:56 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Oct 11 2009, 09:05 PM, said:

Looks normal to me as well. Surprised that west did not overcall 1S which would have made it easier for you.
I blame your methods. I much prefer an artificial 2NT bid with the South hand.

Completely agree, my partner and I would start the bidding on this hand:

1♦-1♥
2N(GF unbalanced)-3♣ (semi forced)
3♦-3♥(yes I have a 5th one)

after this it's not clear where we go but it won't be 3N, might be 4♥ rather than 5♦ though.

I suppose you Instant Message partner so he can tell the difference between when 2NT means this hand and when it means the 18-19 balanced

Instead of making fatuous comments, you might consider follow ups to a 3C relay to describe hand types.

yeah I want the relay bid that says "I wish I had passed instead of 1♥ and how do I get back to 2NT when you have the balanced 18-19"