1) We have been told that when a side having obtained a bad result at one table is responsible for the impossibility to play the board at the other table, this offending side keeps his bad score. But with what score shoulit be compared to obtain a result on the board ? Must the TD appreciate the contract that would have "normally" been played ?
2) Penalties in IMPS : are they added to the NOS or substracted to the OS ?
Many thanks in advance
Al. Ohana
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law 86 France
#2
Posted 2009-October-15, 05:15
1: The rule is that the NOS score +3 IMPs unless equity is not served. The score for the OS is more complex: they are not permitted to gain from the infraction, so should keep whatever bad score is obtained.
I remember one board recently from a Swiss Teams where opps at our table stopped in partscore on a game board (where slam made but was not biddable), but the other table could not play the board due to loud discussion nearby. The ruling was that our opps scored +3 (no result obtained, not at fault) while we scored +11 for the game swing the director judged likely.
If it had been our opponents making the board unplayable at the other table, the director's ruling would have been +11/-11.
2: Penalties are always subtracted. Adjustments may be added (see above) but a penalty does not affect the NOS's score. This is, of course, irrelevant in a knockout but matters in Swiss or Multiple teams.
Henry
I remember one board recently from a Swiss Teams where opps at our table stopped in partscore on a game board (where slam made but was not biddable), but the other table could not play the board due to loud discussion nearby. The ruling was that our opps scored +3 (no result obtained, not at fault) while we scored +11 for the game swing the director judged likely.
If it had been our opponents making the board unplayable at the other table, the director's ruling would have been +11/-11.
2: Penalties are always subtracted. Adjustments may be added (see above) but a penalty does not affect the NOS's score. This is, of course, irrelevant in a knockout but matters in Swiss or Multiple teams.
Henry
#3
Posted 2009-October-15, 06:30
The Law says that if there is a good score in one room, an assigned score may be given when the board is unplayable in the other room. It also says that this should happen when it is the non-offending side which gets the good score. The EBU is still wondering whether there might be a case where this applies where the offending side get a good score: the Law does not say this should not happen, but does not encourage it.
So the basic answer to your question is that the TD assigns. Suppose team A bid and make 6♠ on a misdefence when 11 tricks are the limit of the hand. No doubt the TD will assign a score of either 6♠ -1 or 4♠ +1 or a weighted score between the two in the other room.
Except in knockout, it is easy: penalties are taken off the offending side since scores need never balance.
In knockout any penalty given accrues to the other side. So two penalty of 3 imps each for a team that had "won" by 5 imps mean it has lost by 1 imp, as the Robson/Forrester team found at the Schapiro Spring Foursomes.
So the basic answer to your question is that the TD assigns. Suppose team A bid and make 6♠ on a misdefence when 11 tricks are the limit of the hand. No doubt the TD will assign a score of either 6♠ -1 or 4♠ +1 or a weighted score between the two in the other room.
Except in knockout, it is easy: penalties are taken off the offending side since scores need never balance.
In knockout any penalty given accrues to the other side. So two penalty of 3 imps each for a team that had "won" by 5 imps mean it has lost by 1 imp, as the Robson/Forrester team found at the Schapiro Spring Foursomes.
David Stevenson
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Merseyside England UK
EBL TD
Currently at home
Visiting IBLF from time to time
<webjak666@gmail.com>
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