[Trpltrbl]

Free, on Jul 3 2004, 06:19 AM, said:

Trpltrbl, on Jul 2 2004, 09:27 PM, said:

In my 2/1 this shows a minisplinter, 6-9 HCP and at least 4 trump.

Mike

Minisplinter????? With what do you open in 2/1?

This is based on a 2/1 system with variable NT, either 10-12 or 12-14.
So when pd opens a major suit, he either has a strong NT kinda hand, 13-16 or 15-17. Or he has an unbalanced hand that he couldn't open NT with, and when he doesn't have points in the suit I had a minisplinter in, we are playing with a 30 point deck. Meaning all our points are working, throw in some ZARpoints and we are of to the races, I mean finales, again

Mike

[Free]

If you say that 1♠-2♣-3♦ shows 6-9 HCP splinter, you opened with 6-9HCP 1♠. This is totally insane m8

[Trpltrbl]

I am insane, but in this case I misread the thread.
I tetract everything I said earlier and say now that is a splinter, in support of ♣

Mike

[PriorKnowledge]

I asked Steve Robinson about this sequence. He said, "That is why you should discuss these things with your partner." When I asked him how he plays it, he said, "Splinter."

[Fluffy]

Simple logic, have you ever talked about such bidding in your life? no: then it i natural, 5-5 strrong.

[Free]

Fluffy, on Jul 7 2004, 02:40 PM, said:

Simple logic, have you ever talked about such bidding in your life? no: then it i natural, 5-5 strrong.

Other simple logic: do you have to jump with maximum? no since it's GF already. So this jump is unusual => splinter...

[luis]

Fluffy, on Jul 7 2004, 01:40 PM, said:

Simple logic, have you ever talked about such bidding in your life? no: then it i natural, 5-5 strrong.

Hope your pd uses the same logic as you Fluffy :-)

[inquiry]

I think the arguement over if this is a picture bid with 5/5 in the reds and fair or better values, versus a splinter simply has to be a partnership agreement. Here is a hand from yesterday, where the expert commentators (well other than me) laughed at the possibility of a 3♦ splinter bid.... It seems to me that 2♥ rebid is horrible. A 2♠ rebid would need special agreement on possible stregth. That leaves 3♣ and 3♦ (if available for splinter). If you play 3♦ as splinter, would you use it here?

Scoring: IMP

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Auction at talbe I kibitized.
West North East South
 -     -     Pass  1♥
 Pass  2♣    Pass  2♥
 Pass  2NT   Pass  3NT
 Pass  Pass  Pass  

1/3 of the field played a very unsatisfactory, 3NT. Another group played in 4♥ asfter south choose to rebid 2♥ and was raised by north.

Another 1/3 played in a wonderful matchpont contract of 4♠, easlily making five. And some played in 5♣ (6♣ makes on non-♥ lead).

With a splinter 3♦, the trap 3NT will be missed, and there is no chance to stumble into a hopeless 4♥. Getting into 4♠ is not impossible. A 3♠ bid here by responder and a 4♠ raise should do it.

[cherdano]

inquiry, on Jul 7 2004, 03:17 PM, said:

Here is a hand from yesterday, where the expert commentators (well other than me) laughed at the possibility of a 3♦ splinter bid.... It seems to me that 2♥ rebid is horrible. A 2♠ rebid would need special agreement on possible stregth. That leaves 3♣ and 3♦ (if available for splinter). If you play 3♦ as splinter, would you use it here?

Dealer: East Vul: EW Scoring: IMP

♠ QJ8 ♥ A2 ♦ 64 ♣ KQT532 ♠ AK65 ♥ J9753 ♦ Q ♣ A87

Auction at talbe I kibitized.
West  North East  South
-    -    Pass  1♥
Pass  2♣    Pass  2♥
Pass  2NT  Pass  3NT
Pass  Pass  Pass 

Well, first I hope that they had a balanced GF notrump response available, so that 2♣ promises 5 clubs -- otherwise it's really ugly.

Unless I can bid 2♠ with this strength, I just bid a simple 3♣. 3♦ has three downsides: the singleton is a queen, I prefer to have 4 trumps for a splinter, and I doubt I should encourage slam investigation with this ugly 14 points. This also seems to lead to 4♠ -- partner will try 3♠ which I should raise.

[luke warm]

on the hand ben posted, i've read where a 2S bid there is a reverse, and i've read where it isn't... i prefer to think it isn't, over a 2/1 game force... it's very possible that north bypassed 4 spades in order to bid a longer club suit with a game force hand.. i think south should rebid 2S, and unless my partner prohibits this bid it's the one i'll make at the table

[Fluffy]

On the given hand you don´t have to play that awful 3NT at all after 2♥ rebid when playing 2/1:

1♥-2♣
2♥-3♣
3♠-........

now all bids lead to 5/6♣, included 4♥ wich for sure won´t be a good contract from opener´s perspective and therefore will till lead to 5/6♣.