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#1 User is offline   wyman 

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Posted 2010-April-23, 06:51

2 Questions:

1) When you open in 3rd seat when should you pass partner's 1/1 (at whatever form of scoring/colors, if it matters). Also if it matters, you and partner agree to open very light 3rd seat.

2) Playing a strong club, the auction goes:

P - (P) - 1D* - (P) .................. *1D = 11-15, 1+ diamond
1S- (P) - P - (2D)
P - (P) - X

Is X takeout or penalty, and what type of hand does this show? This was r/w MPs, but I doubt scoring matters.
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Posted 2010-April-23, 07:01

1. when you have a relatively minimum hand with 3 card support. it is almost always bad to pass with 4 card support because partner could have some nice 6-4 and would bid game over a raise. if you have a minimum with 3 cards, the likelihood of making game drops dramatically and despite what others will tell you opps will pass it out in 1M, in my opinion about 25-50% of the time because the guy in passout seat has wrong shape to act.

2. good question. i need to think about it. i guess it depends on what hands are admissible for 1D, but I would think this shows some 3415??
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Posted 2010-April-23, 09:01

i only pass 1/1s when it's impossible (or very, very unlikely) that game will be a good spot. This usually means bal-ish hands with 3 card support and a minimum.

i think this should be takeout. 3424 or something seems about right.
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Posted 2010-April-23, 09:14

Yeah that double is t/o.
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Posted 2010-April-23, 16:31

gwnn, on Apr 23 2010, 08:01 AM, said:

... I would think this shows some 3415??

Correct me if I'm wrong Brian, but don't you guys opens this shape with 2♣?
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Posted 2010-April-23, 19:57

dkharty, on Apr 23 2010, 05:31 PM, said:

gwnn, on Apr 23 2010, 08:01 AM, said:

... I would think this shows some 3415??

Correct me if I'm wrong Brian, but don't you guys opens this shape with 2♣?

Yes. For us, 2C shows 6+ or 5+ with a 4cM.

I had a 10 count 3=4=2=4. We were only -180, but there was a discussion as to whether I'm supposed to be like 3=2=5=2 or like 3=4=2=4.
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Posted 2010-April-24, 02:48

Takeout, just give up on penalty doubles in a spot like this, if you have one partner would probably have made a takeout double, and the opps usually have a better spot.

I pass 1/1 with 3 trumps and a min usually, occasionally some other hand types.
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