[blackshoe]

Scoring: MP

(P)-1♥-(1♠)-?

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East is a decent player, though not as good as he thinks he is. NS are an intermediate partnership. They've not discussed what to do with a hand like this on this auction. What's your call, and why?

[Fluffy]

pass

[blackshoe]

What is your reasoning? How do you expect the auction to continue?

[JLOGIC]

blackshoe, on Sep 13 2010, 02:34 PM, said:

What is your reasoning?

Because 2S would be a cuebid, 3S would be a splinter, and 4S would be exclusion!

Seriously if they bid your suit the only option is to pass. This is not dangerous because partner won't pass it out with shortness (which we know he has).

We are not expecting to be able to defend 1S X, that is basically impossible, we are hoping to bid spades naturally at some point which involves starting with a pass.

[blackshoe]

JLOGIC, on Sep 13 2010, 04:00 PM, said:

blackshoe, on Sep 13 2010, 02:34 PM, said:

What is your reasoning?

Because 2S would be a cuebid, 3S would be a splinter, and 4S would be exclusion!

Yes. Yes. I wish (partner doesn't know exclusion).

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Seriously if they bid your suit the only option is to pass. This is not dangerous because partner won't pass it out with shortness (which we know he has).

We are not expecting to be able to defend 1S X, that is basically impossible, we are hoping to bid spades naturally at some point which involves starting with a pass.

LHO has shortness too.

Okay, you make sense to me. At the table, I reasoned (if you can call it that) as you say regarding 2♠ and 3♠, and since we'd never discussed 4♠ on this auction, I thought perhaps she'd be on the same wavelength when I bid 4♠. She wasn't. She bid 4NT (1430), I bid 5♥ (I know, that's a lie, but we haven't discussed how to deal with voids either), she passed. down 5, undoubled. She said later that she thought I must have some kind of big hand with heart support. The full hand:

Scoring: MP

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Nine of twelve tables played it in 4♠ making, but I don't know how the bidding went at those tables.

How would the bidding go, d'you think, after a pass?

[jdonn]

We might have actually defended 1♠X by passing lol. Not every LHO would redouble.

Anyway I think pass is easy even if 4♠ is natural since you can always bid that next, even if it's like 1/20 to defend 1♠X why not go for it?

[JLOGIC]

jdonn, on Sep 13 2010, 05:34 PM, said:

We might have actually defended 1♠X by passing lol. Not every LHO would redouble.

Anyway I think pass is easy even if 4♠ is natural since you can always bid that next, even if it's like 1/20 to defend 1♠X why not go for it?

Yes, maybe 1/20 to defend 1S X, and 1/2 to have an accident over a direct 4S

Also, I'm not sure I would drive to 4S. We lack the spade 8, so we should have 3 trump losers most of the time. Of course sometimes we can single them in and then endplay them and stuff like that. I would like to see how the auction develops before committing though, maybe partner bids 2C rather than X and then my hand is really looking bad

[pooltuna]

JLOGIC, on Sep 13 2010, 03:00 PM, said:

blackshoe, on Sep 13 2010, 02:34 PM, said:

What is your reasoning?

Because 2S would be a cuebid, 3S would be a splinter, and 4S would be exclusion!

Seriously if they bid your suit the only option is to pass. This is not dangerous because partner won't pass it out with shortness (which we know he has).

We are not expecting to be able to defend 1S X, that is basically impossible, we are hoping to bid spades naturally at some point which involves starting with a pass.

yep shouldn't be dangerous to pass hope we don't have an 11 or 12 card ♠ fit

[aguahombre]

just wondering if this is a modern day record for a trap. I would pass just for fun.

But 3S only on most second chances...chicken that I am.

[pirate22]

pass 1 sp-and await----assume p will x if not why not--also if p bids 2c-all is not lost as you thought and stated.--i would now bid 2hts

[the hog]

pirate22, on Sep 14 2010, 10:36 AM, said:

pass 1 sp-and await----assume p will x if not why not--also if p bids 2c-all is not lost as you thought and stated.--i would now bid 2hts

If you bid 2H after pd's 2C bid, that is where you will play the hand.
Pass followed by 2S and then 4S over partner's 2C for me.