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Poll: I bid... (49 member(s) have cast votes)

I bid...

  1. 1s (28 votes [57.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 57.14%

  2. 1n (19 votes [38.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 38.78%

  3. 2c (1 votes [2.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.04%

  4. other (1 votes [2.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.04%

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Posted 2010-September-14, 12:25

vul vs not, mps

JTx
KT9x
xxx
JTx

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Posted 2010-September-14, 12:39

pick
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Posted 2010-September-14, 12:40

1S.
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Posted 2010-September-14, 12:43

1NT and hope partner doesn't get too excited :)

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Posted 2010-September-14, 12:45

1S obv
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Posted 2010-September-14, 12:57

I voted 1S, but with KT9x in hearts the understrength 1NT isn't nearly as scary as it would be with a bare Kxxx.
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Posted 2010-September-14, 13:09

1. About a Q light for 1N.
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Posted 2010-September-14, 13:18

1NT, not a problem for me since I play the 1NT bid as more like 6-10 than the 8-11 some people seem to prefer. The heart spots (and lack of appeal of bidding a three card suit on a flat hand) compensate easily for the one missing high card point.

Do people bidding 1 really think they will avoid being raised? Especially these days where 2 from opener doesn't show much extra, you can easily end playing a lot higher than you originally intended.
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Posted 2010-September-14, 13:21

1S for me. 1NT shows about 9-10 or good 8.
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Posted 2010-September-14, 14:40

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Posted 2010-September-14, 14:48

1N not a problem for me as I play it shows this exact hand.

But seriously, if clubs were QTx instead of JTx I'd make the 1N overbid, otherwise 1.
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Posted 2010-September-14, 14:49

awm, on Sep 14 2010, 02:18 PM, said:

1NT, not a problem for me since I play the 1NT bid as more like 6-10 than the 8-11 some people seem to prefer.

It might be a problem if your partner doubles on a 4144 10 count and your RHO makes a tactical (systemic?) pass - or your LHO is loaded.

By the way, my partners do not automatically boost with 4 trump.
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Posted 2010-September-14, 15:57

1NT will get you in more trouble than 1, therefore 1.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2010-September-14, 23:06

I suspect that vast majority of the time on this auction partner will have at least mild extras. This means the 1 bidders are playing 2... which do you think is better, 2 or 1NT?

Yes, if you give partner the worst possible hand construction then 1NT might already be "too high" but: (1) the opponents haven't doubled yet (2) 1NT probably plays better than 1 (3) partner can run from 1NTX to a five-card minor, and this might be better than playing 1 (which could even be a 3-3 fit)
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Posted 2010-September-14, 23:17

awm, on Sep 15 2010, 12:06 PM, said:

I suspect that vast majority of the time on this auction partner will have at least mild extras.

Why?

1S for me.
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Posted 2010-September-14, 23:53

awm, on Sep 15 2010, 12:06 AM, said:

I suspect that vast majority of the time on this auction partner will have at least mild extras. This means the 1 bidders are playing 2... which do you think is better, 2 or 1NT?

Yes, if you give partner the worst possible hand construction then 1NT might already be "too high" but: (1) the opponents haven't doubled yet (2) 1NT probably plays better than 1 (3) partner can run from 1NTX to a five-card minor, and this might be better than playing 1 (which could even be a 3-3 fit)

Hmm - seems odd partner won't raise a 6-10 1N call but he will raise a 0-7 1 call with these 'extras'.
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Posted 2010-September-15, 02:57

1NT, but I probably think it has a lower limit than most of the rest of you.

If I didn't bid 1NT I'd bid 2. 1 is far more likely to be raised than 2.

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Hmm - seems odd partner won't raise a 6-10 1N call but he will raise a 0-7 1 call with these 'extras'.

What's odd about the idea that partner will pass 1NT but raise spades with Kxxx x AQxx AQxx?
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Posted 2010-September-15, 04:04

gnasher, on Sep 15 2010, 03:57 AM, said:

If I didn't bid 1NT I'd bid 2. 1 is far more likely to be raised than 2.

If 1S is raised to 2S, you'll still be at the 2-level and at least you'll be in a 4-3 fit instead of a possible 3-2 fit. I don't see any advantage of 2C over 1S.
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Posted 2010-September-15, 05:50

I 1 NT is 8+, 1 Spade is better.

I play 1 NT Gnasher style, so this one is easy for me.
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Posted 2010-September-15, 17:42

hanp, on Sep 15 2010, 11:04 AM, said:

If 1S is raised to 2S, you'll still be at the 2-level and at least you'll be in a 4-3 fit instead of a possible 3-2 fit. I don't see any advantage of 2C over 1S.

I'm more concerned about being raised to the 3- or 4-level.
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