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open 1heart or 1club or 4clubs?

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Posted 2010-November-05, 06:14

1♥ WTP
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Posted 2010-November-05, 08:33

Playing Namyats, presumably we have discussed what 4♣ shows, and then we know if this is a 4♣ bid. Otherwise, I like 4♥. Possibly we will miss a slam. More likely we have placed the contract where it belongs and given reasonable guidance to partner if he has to make a decision about bidding hearts at a higher level in a competitive auction.
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Posted 2010-November-06, 05:57


4♥ 4♠ dbl pass
5♥ all pass

I am amazed how many posters went for 4♥. We were not playing Namyats. I was sitting north and was highly critical of my partner's 4♥ opening bid. Take away 2 of the small hearts and make them clubs and 4♥ is still an obvious opening bid. I persuaded my partner that 4♥ was not a good bid but he went for the alternative of 1♣. I told him that I did not like that opening bid either and was not sure this was legal with only 10HCP. He reaction was "Christ......a lot of old men who want to spoil the game" Well it appears that it is legal. I personally think that opening 1♥ and rebidding 4♥ or higher if you have to, reasonably describes the hand.

My penalty double and partners retreat to 5♥ just illustrates that partner "knew" that opening 4♥was wrong. There is no doubt in my mind that had partner opened 1♥ and with intervention from west that we would have got to 6♥. So we had to be content with +480 not even getting the +800 penalty that was available.
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Posted 2010-November-06, 12:54

If you were keen to be in 6♥ why not raise 5♥?
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Posted 2010-November-06, 19:12

View PostRMB1, on 2010-November-06, 12:54, said:

If you were keen to be in 6♥ why not raise 5♥?

Thats silly
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Posted 2010-November-06, 19:28

View PostWackojack, on 2010-November-03, 05:41, said:


You are dealt this hand nv v v playing a strong club system. Do you open it 1♣ or 1♥? Had you been playing Namyats would you have opened it 4♣? Or would you open it with any other bid?
IMO 4♣ = 10, 4♥ = 9, 1♥ = 8, 1♣ = 6.
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Posted 2010-November-07, 07:10

View PostWackojack, on 2010-November-06, 05:57, said:

I am amazed how many posters went for 4♥. We were not playing Namyats. I was sitting north and was highly critical of my partner's 4♥ opening bid.


Its because we have hearts and whenever I get hearts I am on a race for bidding 4♥ before they find their spade fit. The hand is not perfect but other actions ain't perfect either. If you think 1♥ will put you any closer to bid slam you are a bit resulting, the hand fits perfectly and there is a king onside
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Posted 2010-November-08, 03:53

You're all nuts (except East) :P
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