MP, first time playing with imaginative expert partner. See poll for questions, please elaborate if desired.
Best route to +110?
#1
Posted 2010-October-28, 08:32
MP, first time playing with imaginative expert partner. See poll for questions, please elaborate if desired.
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#2
Posted 2010-October-28, 09:10
1♦ allows me to describe 10 of my cards via a 3♣ rebid in the posted auction, and that sounds ok...but it gets me to a probable 5-2 diamond fit at the 3 level, and that probably won't get me 110. 1♣ then 2♣ might have let me play there...our actual auction showed only 4+ clubs, so he wasn't as likely to pass as he would had I opened 1♣ and rebid the suit....and would make me pass 2♠...which, ugly tho it is, requires only 8 tricks.
Horrible hand, predictable problem...having chosen my poison I must stay the course, finish drinking it, and bid 3♣.
#3
Posted 2010-October-28, 09:12
I find the proposed 3♣ rebid utterly incomprehensible.
The stiff Ace of Spades is a phenominal holding opposite partner's 2♠ rebid.
Partner is going to expect that my Diamonds are >= to my clubs and could easily correct my 3♣ rebid to the wrong suit.
#6
Posted 2010-October-28, 10:50
3♣ please.
I would have opened 1♣ but I don't feel strongly about it.
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#7
Posted 2010-October-28, 11:25
Tough hand.
#8
Posted 2010-October-28, 12:29
mtvesuvius, on 2010-October-28, 11:25, said:
How many Spades do you think partner has?
What percentage of the time do you think he has 6?
(If I had to bet, I'd place partner with a 6=4=2=1 hand)
I can't fathom pulling what looks to be a 6-1 spade fit at the 2 level in order to play in a 5-2 Diamond fit at the three level. (Yes, I'd like to be able to ruff more Hearts, however, nothing in life is perfect)
#9
Posted 2010-October-28, 15:38
Pass. Partner has six spades so this is +110, if anything is. I would have opened 1♦ also btw but don't feel strongly about it.
#10
Posted 2010-October-28, 20:39
However with more traditional agreements, I'll join the passers. Better take the plus and you are more likely to get it a level lower. (Not feeling good about this)
#11
Posted 2010-October-29, 04:38
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#12
Posted 2010-October-29, 13:21
I see it very easy to pass now, just think that partner might just as well hold 7 spades.
#13
Posted 2010-October-29, 13:42
now i am starting to think that opening 1C and rebidding 2C might be a better way of handling this hand. If the hand belongs in diamonds, perhap partner can introduce the suit. I also want 1♦ followed by 2♣ to show good hands a la K-S. This is another example of where playing Karen Walker's weak jump-reverse style might be beneficial, but people seem to prefer the jump reverse to be some form of a splinter raise, at least over a major (Max style?).
guess ya gotta give a little to get a little.
But, with this hand I am passing 2♠ as things look like a misfit. Hopefully I'll get a plus score.
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#14
Posted 2010-October-29, 16:55
#15
Posted 2010-October-29, 17:51
losercover, on 2010-October-29, 16:55, said:
that's all very nice, however, the name of this forum is "SAYC and 2/1 Discussion"
#17
Posted 2010-October-29, 18:25
Fluffy, on 2010-October-29, 13:21, said:
I see it very easy to pass now, just think that partner might just as well hold 7 spades.
Agree totally with the Fluffster.
#18
Posted 2010-October-29, 21:17
The reason for opening 1♦ is to bid clubs later on without reversing. If the auction gets competitive you will be able to bid clubs at quite a high level. The problem though is that you will often be preferenced back to diamonds and play in the wrong suit. This is always a potential problem when you don't open your longest suit. To open 1♦ I would need the hand to be weaker, and the longer suit to be weaker as well.
I don't really hate 1♦, but it is not for me.
#19
Posted 2010-October-30, 09:23
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#20
Posted 2010-October-30, 10:10
8+1/3 means that we will have an 8 card fit most of the time, sometimes a 9 card fit and rarely only combined 7 cards in that suit.
When I hold 5 card in a suit, partners long time average is holding 2+2/3 cards in that suit, so I expect a combined 7+2/3 fit.
7+2/3 means that we will have 8 cards a little more than half of the time.
In SAYC and 2/1 opening 1♣and rebidding 2♣ over partners 1M bid, almost always promises a 6 card suit.
Bidding this way will lead us to a highly likely 8 card fit, but conceals the ♦ length.
Starting the bidding with 1♦ and rebidding 2♣ ( or 3♣ ) conceals the ♣ fit and it's hard to see how revealing this 9 cards can be an advantage, if it forces us to play an 8 or 7 card fit at the 3 level, or a 5-1 ♠ fit on the 2 level.