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Posted 2010-November-22, 19:14

I have two questions:
1.RHO opens 1C, and you hold:
♠Qxx
♥AKxx
♦KQxxxx
♣-
What do you call?

2.You hold
♠Kxxxx
♥xx
♦T9x
♣Axx
What do you call in the following sequence?
1♣-1♦(pd)-2♣-?
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Posted 2010-November-22, 19:17

1. 1♦
2. 2♦
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Posted 2010-November-22, 19:52

1. Double
2. 2♦
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Posted 2010-November-22, 19:56

Agree with Jilly.
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Posted 2010-November-22, 20:38

agree with Andy and Jilly
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Posted 2010-November-23, 01:12

Hi,

#1 1D - you are strong enough to make another move, if 2C comes back,
the alternative is obviously X
#2 2D, the suit is too bad to bid 2S, and I am submin at best for the
bidding plan 2S => 3D, so 2D it is.
If I get the chance to bid 2S in the next round I will do this.

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Posted 2010-November-23, 01:55

Thanks everyone.
I held the 3460 hand and over-called 1♦, my pd raised to 2♦:
1♣-1♦-2♣-2♦-3♣-3♥-P-4♦-P-5♦.
down 1. 4♠is makable.

Would you be able to reach 4S?
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Posted 2010-November-23, 02:02

View PostHeartA, on 2010-November-23, 01:55, said:

Thanks everyone.
I held the 3460 hand and over-called 1♦, my pd raised to 2♦:
1♣-1♦-2♣-2♦-3♣-3♥-P-4♦-P-5♦.
down 1. 4♠is makable.

Would you be able to reach 4S?


No.

Even a T/O with the 3460 hand would not really have worked, since the T/O doubler will
always keep in mind, that the partnership may only have a 4-3 fit.
I am not sure, it is a good idea to raise 4D to 5D, by bidding 3H we have already shown
a nice hand, and 4D was merely a preference / even forced, without a heart fit.

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Posted 2010-November-23, 02:22

Since I usually play new suits nonforcing responding overcalls I would bid 2♠ instead of 2♦. Obviously the hand is minimum even for nf 2♠. You would also want a better suit since partner might pass even with a singleton if he holds a bad hand. Still a spade game is possible if the hands fit well.
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Posted 2010-November-23, 02:56

View PostHeartA, on 2010-November-22, 19:14, said:

I have two questions:
1.RHO opens 1C, and you hold:
♠Qxx
♥AKxx
♦KQxxxx
♣-
What do you call?

2.You hold
♠Kxxxx
♥xx
♦T9x
♣Axx
What do you call in the following sequence?
1♣-1♦(pd)-2♣-?



1♦ and 2♦
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Posted 2010-November-23, 03:41

View PostHeartA, on 2010-November-23, 01:55, said:

Thanks everyone.
I held the 3460 hand and over-called 1♦, my pd raised to 2♦:
1♣-1♦-2♣-2♦-3♣-3♥-P-4♦-P-5♦.
down 1. 4♠is makable.

Would you be able to reach 4S?

1♦ overcall is clear, and the 2♦ raise is also my choice. However after 3♣ I'd Dbl with this hand to bring in all the suits. Then partner can finally bid his ♠.
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Posted 2010-November-23, 07:08

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1♦ overcall is clear, and the 2♦ raise is also my choice. However after 3♣ I'd Dbl with this hand to bring in all the suits. Then partner can finally bid his ♠.


I think it's not clear that double is takeout, many have the agreement that double is penalty when we have established a fit. But maybe it only makes sense for majors. Discuss. ;)
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Posted 2010-November-23, 07:16

doubling with the 3460 is clear, very clear IMO. This is the best example for why.

I'd bid 2♦ with the other hand, need better suit and strenght for 2♠ but not quite much.
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Posted 2010-November-23, 08:43

1) X ...better to search for a game in the majors rather than ♦, more targets less tricks

2) 2♦ ...2♠ would be forcing for me so I will just simply show support
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Posted 2010-November-23, 09:16

After the suggested auction the 3460 must double 3C which was the plan all along (I would double 1C if my shape was 3451, but it feels wrong not mentioning my 6 card suit and a good hand as I can double for takeout later which typically should show a 3361 shape). After the double then your partner has a clear 4S bid.
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Posted 2010-November-23, 21:14

I was wrong. Actually RHO (kind of Newbie) rebid 2N with ♠AJx ♥Jxxx ♦A ♣Kxxxx (high card may not be exactly the same).
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Posted 2010-November-24, 05:43

On 1: Not over calling 6 card suits to perhaps find a 4/3 ♠fit is not my approach, especially with a void in addition to a hand that will be able to double for t/o should they extend the bidding a couple of levels. So for me 1 ♦is clear.

hand 2: I need a bit more to freely bid 2♠but this is quite a good hand facing a 1D o/c. Double of 2C in this position should show majors and at least 2[diamonds and although I do not have ♥I think double now and removing partners possible heart bid will show the 5th♠. If my 2 level bids were NF I would simply bid 2♠. It is not sensible for double of 2♣to be penalty, what do you do holding 4-4-(3-2) shape 10 count?
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Posted 2010-November-24, 06:34

1♦, planning to double 3C or bid hearts if opps bid spades.

2♦, but this is a close one (having 2S NF) If I have T9 in spades it's a 2♠ bid.
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Posted 2010-November-25, 00:22

Double of course. I find the 1D overcall most amusing, especially if done against me by my opponents.
2D on the second.
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