[mangurian]

1C - 1S - 2C - P
2H

I meant 2H to show hearts were stopped so partner could put us in NT if he had spades controlled.
I did not mean it to show extra strength. If I can't bid 2H do we just give up on NT ?
Partner did bid 2NT and since I had a 13 pointer, I passed. Most folks were in 3NT making.
Partner had a big hand, but he thought I could not pass after my reverse.

Even if it is a reverse, I am forcing him to make another bid, but why can't I pass 2NT?

Here is the entire auction:
1C - 1S - 2C - P
2H - P - 2NT - P
P - P

I haven't found any examples in my books.

Comments appreciated.

[Cascade]

No its not a reverse. Its just a game try showing something in hearts (unless you have some special agreement).

If you had 13 points then you have bid your hand. Therefore it is up to partner to bid on to game where appropriate.

Did 2♣ show something other than a simple raise of about 6-9 hcp? Is that what you meant by big hand?

[mangurian]

Cascade, on 2011-April-25, 20:06, said:

No its not a reverse. Its just a game try showing something in hearts (unless you have some special agreement).

If you had 13 points then you have bid your hand. Therefore it is up to partner to bid on to game where appropriate.

Did 2♣ show something other than a simple raise of about 6-9 hcp? Is that what you meant by big hand?

He had better than an opener. He went slow because he thought I was obliged to bid again.

[jillybean]

mangurian, on 2011-April-25, 20:24, said:

He had better than an opener. He went slow because he thought I was obliged to bid again.

You aren't obliged to bid over 2♣, 2♣ is non forcing.

[P_Marlowe]

mangurian, on 2011-April-25, 18:08, said:

1C - 1S - 2C - P
2H

I meant 2H to show hearts were stopped so partner could put us in NT if he had spades controlled.
I did not mean it to show extra strength. If I can't bid 2H do we just give up on NT ?
<snip>

The meaning of the bid is what you said, with one small addition - it showes add. values
i.e. 2H is not a reverse - a reverse not only showes add. values, it also showes a 2-suiter.

The reason why it showes add. values is simple - partner did already limit his hand to 6-10, so bidding
on makes only sense, if you have add. values.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Quantumcat]

Here is a basic principle. If game is still possible, keep bidding. If it is not, pass as soon as you are in some semblance of a fit (or you are in notrumps if it is unlikely you have a fit that it is possible to find at a low enough level).

Your partner showed about 6-10 HCP with his 2♣ raise. For game to still be possible, you would need to have at least 15 HCP (15 + 10 = 25). If you have any less than this, then game is not possible and you will pass (since you are in a fit).

Reverses do not really apply after you have found a fit. Changing suit has the purpose of locating a fit, and if you already have one, there is no need to show genuine suits that you are willing to play in (you already know what suit you are playing in). So your 2♥ bid just said that you have something in hearts, you are interested in game, and you can't bid 2NT yourself (which partner will realise means you don't have spades stopped).

With a 13 point hand, partner knew there was a game on (12 + 13 = 25). He should have either changed suit (which is forcing), and bid game later, or else just bid game right away. 2♣ showed 6-10 HCP, probably with 4 or 5 clubs and 3 or fewer hearts (double by him would show 4 hearts, or a weak hand with five or more).

[helene_t]

mangurian, on 2011-April-25, 20:24, said:

He had better than an opener. He went slow because he thought I was obliged to bid again.

Do you really have the agreement that 2♣ is forcing? If so, what is he supposed to do with 7 points and club support?

Almost everyone play 2♣ as 6-9(10). With more than that he bids the suit of the opponent (2♠). That shows a good raise of opener's suit, say (10)11+ points.

[blackshoe]

I suspect (though I could be wrong) that this pair plays inverted minor raises in uncontested auctions, and are not aware (or at least responder isn't) of the mainstream view that such raises are off in competition. They probably haven't discussed it.

Another possibility: responder is aware that a new suit at the two level in competition shows at least 10 HCP, and has conflated that with this auction.

[Trumpace]

jillybean, on 2011-April-25, 23:14, said:

You aren't obliged to bid over 2♣, 2♣ is non forcing.

helene_t, on 2011-April-26, 02:20, said:

Do you really have the agreement that 2♣ is forcing? If so, what is he supposed to do with 7 points and club support?

Almost everyone play 2♣ as 6-9(10). With more than that he bids the suit of the opponent (2♠). That shows a good raise of opener's suit, say (10)11+ points.

I believe OP is talking about the 2H bid promising another bid and OP's partner bidding 2NT knowing it won't be passed...

As to original question, there are some questions that need to be answered I suppose.

How much does 2C promise?

Would 1C - (1S) - X show hearts?

In any case 2H is not a reverse.