[mgoetze]

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2NT was 20-21, Texas was available. What is 5NT and what do you bid?

[semeai]

I think this is choice of slams, i.e. it tells me to choose between 6♥ and 6NT, usually with 5332 and values for a small slam. Here I have 3 hearts and no particular reason to expect notrump to be better, so I bid 6♥.

That would make this different from 2NT-5NT (choose 6 or 7). I suppose texas transfer then 5NT is grand slam force.

I don't know how to ask for a choice between 6 or 7 at the same time as asking for a choice between hearts and notrump. Perhaps this bid, with some sort of artificial responses, would be a way, but that can't be standard.

Added: What's 2N-3D;3H-6N? Probably it's passable, inviting 7H or 7NT? With a choice of grands you can always bid 5N and raise the response to 7. Over 2N-3D;3H-5N, we could also cuebid with a great hand to account for a hand that can tolerate a grand. Our hand may come close to a 6♣ cuebid, but we have wastage in spades. We didn't superaccept, though, so maybe we do have a great hand and 6♣ is correct.

[gnasher]

Are you sure 6♣ is a cue-bid rather than a place to play?

[semeai]

gnasher, on 2011-August-31, 17:38, said:

Are you sure 6♣ is a cue-bid rather than a place to play?

No

[Free]

5NT is pick a slam, not interested in grand. I'll bid 6♥.

Imo 6♣ would rather show a 3=2=3=5.

[Cyberyeti]

semeai, on 2011-August-31, 16:45, said:

I think this is choice of slams, i.e. it tells me to choose between 6♥ and 6NT, usually with 5332 and values for a small slam. Here I have 3 hearts and no particular reason to expect notrump to be better, so I bid 6♥.

That would make this different from 2NT-5NT (choose 6 or 7). I suppose texas transfer then 5NT is grand slam force.

I don't know how to ask for a choice between 6 or 7 at the same time as asking for a choice between hearts and notrump. Perhaps this bid, with some sort of artificial responses, would be a way, but that can't be standard.

Added: What's 2N-3D;3H-6N? Probably it's passable, inviting 7H or 7NT? With a choice of grands you can always bid 5N and raise the response to 7. Over 2N-3D;3H-5N, we could also cuebid with a great hand to account for a hand that can tolerate a grand. Our hand may come close to a 6♣ cuebid, but we have wastage in spades. We didn't superaccept, though, so maybe we do have a great hand and 6♣ is correct.

You shouldn't need GSF as blackwood/voidwood can give you that information unless you have 2 voids.

I agree with the comment about 6N, I think 6♣ could be a grand slam try with 5 clubs, looking for a club card, you need no more than Axx, KQJxx, xxx, Kx to make 7♥ excellent.

I wouldn't be starting from here however, as we break the transfer with (H=AKQ) Hxx trumps and HHxxx side suit so would start 2N-3♦-4♣.

I'm unsure what the difference between 2N-3♦-3♥-5N and 2N-4♦-4♥-5N, but surely one should be pick a slam and the the other inviting 7.

[the hog]

5NT is pick a slam. I bid 6H.

[Zelandakh]

Cyberyeti, on 2011-September-01, 02:35, said:

I'm unsure what the difference between 2N-3♦-3♥-5N and 2N-4♦-4♥-5N, but surely one should be pick a slam and the the other inviting 7.

It seems more logical for me for the former to be quantitative and the latter to be pick a slam. But I note that the votes are in the opposite direction so I am interested what those who are playing this as pick a slam use the Texas sequence for.

[Siegmund]

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I'm unsure what the difference between 2N-3♦-3♥-5N and 2N-4♦-4♥-5N, but surely one should be pick a slam and the the other inviting 7.

I would assume the latter is "obviously" GSF -- or whatever your partner's normal meaning for 5NT is in auctions where a leap to 4NT would be Blackwood.

OP's sequence, I can imagine as choice-of-2-slams or as choice-of-4-slams. But there are an awful lot of bids -- everything from 4S to 6H -- available for SOME kind of slam alternatives exploration, and almost all of them are DNE even my longest-time partnership.

[JLOGIC]

Totally agree that texas then 5N is GSF.

3H then 5N is the only way to bid a 5332 slam force. With a second suit, partner could bid it. And obv 6x is a suggestion to play, you know partner has 2-3 in a suit so you can offer a 5 card suit as a strain as if partner has 3 trumps and a ruffing value and you have a doubleton heart to potentially ruff out hearts, the 5-3 fit will often be better than 6N.

[aguahombre]

Cyberyeti, on 2011-September-01, 02:35, said:

I'm unsure what the difference between 2N-3♦-3♥-5N and 2N-4♦-4♥-5N, but surely one should be pick a slam and the the other inviting 7.

I vote for the Texas, then 5N to be pick a slam, and the one starting with Jacoby 3♦to be neither. Maybe a Meckwell usage is available, such as AK 8th of hearts and a club void . I don't know what their actual usage is for this, but I believe there probably is one.

[phil_20686]

I thought this was basically a quantative raise to invite grand, with 5 hearts. Probably 5332, but could be 5422. Even some 5431 if your system does not allow you to bid them.

[manudude03]

2NT-3D-3H-5NT is quantitative (opener may suggest a 5 card suit if accepting)
2NT-3D-3H-6H is choice of slam between 6H and 6NT only (6322?)
2NT-4D-4H-5NT is GSF
2NT-4D-4H-6H is signoff for me.

[1eyedjack]

Just out of interest, does anyone other than me think that this opener is worth a superaccept of sorts? I suppose it may depend on opener's defined range.

[mgoetze]

1eyedjack, on 2011-September-11, 11:39, said:

Just out of interest, does anyone other than me think that this opener is worth a superaccept of sorts? I suppose it may depend on opener's defined range.

Well, I thought I was worth 7♥ after this start, at least. Unfortunately it was only meant as a choice between 6♥ and 6NT.

[aguahombre]

1eyedjack, on 2011-September-11, 11:39, said:

Just out of interest, does anyone other than me think that this opener is worth a superaccept of sorts? I suppose it may depend on opener's defined range.

mgoetze, on 2011-September-11, 12:06, said:

Well, I thought I was worth 7♥ after this start, at least. Unfortunately it was only meant as a choice between 6♥ and 6NT.

This is a good reason to reject my premise that, unless we have four trumps for pard, we should stay out of his way and let him follow-up as planned.

Here, if we had broken the transfer, partner would not have made a bid which we didn't understand.