Maybe you don't agree with the choices up to this point, but I was looking for some life from partner after his free bid, now we got it.... what now?
had enough yet? 5305 20 count, partner freebids spades!
#1
Posted 2011-October-30, 13:52
Maybe you don't agree with the choices up to this point, but I was looking for some life from partner after his free bid, now we got it.... what now?
#2
Posted 2011-October-30, 14:10
#3
Posted 2011-October-30, 15:00
#4
Posted 2011-October-30, 15:03
If he has 5143 one of the ♣ going on ♥.
If he has 5242 looks we are okay
If he has only 4 trumps and/or less than 4♦, then things get complicated but he has to have a reason to bid a free 2♠ and then not to bid 5♠ over 5♣ with this. Depends on how he interpreted the 5♣ bid. Are u asking ♣ help or you have good ♣ and worried about ♥ suit since the contract is wrongsided ? He already showed no interest over splinter, now his 5♦ is actually encouraging, after all he could shut down by 5♠ bid imo.
I would bid 6♠ now and in the worst case he may play for Kx doubleton ♣ with opener.
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#5
Posted 2011-October-30, 15:04
aguahombre, on 2011-October-30, 15:00, said:
He already told he doesnt have it and u dont need it in many cases anyway.
Qxxxx xx ??xx xx
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"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#6
Posted 2011-October-30, 16:48
MrAce, on 2011-October-30, 15:04, said:
Qxxxx xx ??xx xx
When did he deny the club king? While he was denying any type of heart control over 4D? I don't think I would have bid 5C as advancer with QXXX(X) XXX KXX KX(X)
#7
Posted 2011-October-30, 17:19
aguahombre, on 2011-October-30, 16:48, said:
You are not listening to bidding. You are focused on very small part of the bidding (control cues) and missing the whole picture.
He denied when he did not bid slam ♠ or 6♣ over 5♣. As u said very well he denied ♥ control and we are still bidding 5♣. He would have bid slam with ♣K already unless he thinks u are bidding 5♣ for the sake of bidding something. And i repeat, you probably dont need ♣K to make slam.
You are also focused on ♣K too much. ♣J is as good as K. Among possible shapes he may have, 5233 without ♣J is the only one that seems to be worst for slam but then again why did not he shut down with 5♠ over 5♣ ?
5♦ is probably last attempt he can make, how much more do you want him to bid with a hand QJxxx xx KJxx xx or Qxxxx xx KJx Jxx ? Most people would not even bid that much with these hands and shut down already over 5♣. Stop torturing your pd
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#8
Posted 2011-October-30, 18:50
If Partner's 5D was because you bid 4D...showing a control as well, he still might have XXXXX XXX KXX KX.
#9
Posted 2011-October-30, 19:06
aguahombre, on 2011-October-30, 18:50, said:
If Partner's 5D was because you bid 4D...showing a control as well, he still might have XXXXX XXX KXX KX.
If u are telling me you will lift his 5♠ to slam, u deserve to be lifted to grand with xx ♣ and ♦A or with Qxxxx Qx Axx xxx.
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#10
Posted 2011-October-30, 19:09
#11
Posted 2011-October-30, 19:12
EDIT: xxxxx xxx Kxx Kx is not an option for pd to have for reasons i already explained. But if i were OP, i would just bid 4NT over 4♠ just to be able to aks ♣K later and save everyone from solving a puzzle.
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#12
Posted 2011-October-30, 19:34
MrAce, on 2011-October-30, 19:06, said:
Back to the title: "Had" enough yet?" Yes, when you start assuming partner is a moron who would raise 6S to seven with that.
#13
Posted 2011-October-30, 19:37
aguahombre, on 2011-October-30, 19:34, said:
Not really, pd may think "if my pd is not a moron, he could learn my ♣K simply by asking for it, thus he must be looking for doubleton or Q in ♣ suit "
Because asking a 3rd round control in a side suit eventhough available, not as standart as asking specific Kings. I dunno what OP really meant by the title of this topic, since he seemed to choose the fancy cue bid path for grandslam hand instead of asking partner what he was supposed to be asking clearly. And now you expect partner to ignore this fact and act as if we are moron and not bid grand. Maybe he will not maybe he will, whatever the outcome is, we are the ones who is starting all this mess instead of being clear about what we want to learn from pd.
Your turn cmon
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#14
Posted 2011-October-30, 19:50
The cue bid route seemed normal at the time.
#15
Posted 2011-October-30, 21:05
aguahombre, on 2011-October-30, 19:50, said:
The cue bid route seemed normal at the time.
I said Qxxxx Qx Axx xxx and if u are telling me u dont have the specific kings in your disposal but solve the grandslam hands by cueing, more power to ya, it just sounds funny to me to be honest, sorry. It always amazed me how imaginative people can be when they decide to defend something that doesnt make sense at the first place.
MrAce, on 2011-October-30, 19:06, said:
Basically the way u choose to bid, i think u tell your pd that you have the ♣ AK imo. And trying to figure his ♣ cards for grand. But all these as i said before requires interpretation of both partners. I said it is funny because when someone doesnt use specific kings, they will have to go thru this torture sessions each time at 5 level, sometimes they will be in same wavelenght and sometime they won't.
And even when u dont play specific kings, you can still bid 4NT over 4♠ and bid 6♣ to ask him to lift with ♣ help. Don't tell me this asks 3rd round control in ♣ suit, because this will also be funny to be able to ask specific 3rd round control but not be able to ask specific K by agreement. (since u dont play specific kings)
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#16
Posted 2011-October-31, 03:57
♦A gets rid of the heart, and now we have good chances in 6♠, if no trump loser all we need is ♣K or ♣J or doubleton in partner's hands, even ♣xxx can be enough with 5 trumps ednplaying west on a non club lead. ♠Q ♦A ♣K is not science fiction but I don't think I'll ever be comfortable enough to bid grand anyway.
#17
Posted 2011-October-31, 04:38
#18
Posted 2011-October-31, 05:54
Trumps 3-1 and the ♣K offside meant even 6S went off 1, losing 5.67 in a very mixed field. One other pair got to 6S-1, there was one 5S-1, a 4S+1 and the rest were partscores (!!). On the round after, one of the directors pm'ed me saying that although its not a terrible slam, he thinks I've said enough after bidding 5C and seeing 5D come back and should just sign off.
#19
Posted 2011-October-31, 06:36
Zelandakh, on 2011-October-31, 04:38, said:
I was thinking the same thing.
If partner has the ♦ A , then your Ht loser has a parking spot.
Next, you can ask for the ♠ Q ... if he has it, you will find out about the ♣ K as well.
If ♠Q but no ♣K, then you can hope he has the ♣J.
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#20
Posted 2011-October-31, 06:48
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