[jillybean]

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[neilkaz]

2♠ as I can probably take 6 tricks with ♠ as trump. A void, especially in the other major which I hope to preempt doesn't stop me from opening a weak 2.

[Hanoi5]

3♠. 4♠ seems like too much, but might 3 just miss the game?

[aguahombre]

I can understand those who would do something else. But, I have never been lucky at masterminding. I have six good spades, and my strength is all right there. Not sure why I would want to show 7 (3S), or 7 total tricks and 7 spades (4S). Also 1S and pass don't seem to fit the hand.

Combine those things with the choice of forum, and 2S seems automatic. For B/I, I don't think it is a good idea to misrepresent the number of cards held in the pre-empt suit. Later on, perhaps the exceptions should be considered, although I don't think this hand is one of them.

[mike777]

2s seems perfect at this vul and this seat so it must be wrong.

[daveharty]

Yep, this looks like an auto 2S to me. Sometimes you are allowed to have a maximum, and second seat vulnerable seems like the right time.

[jillybean]

 daveharty, on 2011-November-04, 17:37, said:

Yep, this looks like an auto 2S to me. Sometimes you are allowed to have a maximum, and second seat vulnerable seems like the right time.

That was my thinking too, whose to blame?

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[mike777]

I prefer to play 4c as rkc if pard opens a weak two or three. 4d over a weak 3c opener.


so i give a little blame to south and alot more to east.

[jillybean]

 mike777, on 2011-November-04, 18:36, said:

I prefer to play 4c as rkc if pard opens a weak two or three. 4d over a weak 3c opener.

We play this too edit 4♣ is 5 step key card here for me.

[the hog]

2S for me. South is clearly to blame. - Jx support, a stiff, an excellent 6 card suit and an outside A and he passes? You are kidding me!

[jillybean]

 the hog, on 2011-November-04, 18:38, said:

2S for me. South is clearly to blame. - Jx support, a stiff, an excellent 6 card suit and an outside A and he passes? You are kidding me!

Look at the auction again.

[aguahombre]

 jillybean, on 2011-November-04, 18:39, said:

Look at the auction again.

Maybe South didn't pass, but he might as well have 4H was a knee jerk bid. He looked at his hearts and didn't get any farther than that.

But maybe I am wrong; their agreement was 4♥="kickforward" for spades, and it is all North's fault.

[daveharty]

 jillybean, on 2011-November-04, 18:24, said:

That was my thinking too, whose to blame?

South. 4H is...um...bad.

[Mbodell]

South gets the blame, but it isn't much blame in my mind (not sure I like hearts rather than supporting spades, and game rather than sniffing for slam, but I wouldn't want to bid above game as at MP even a 2nd unfavorable hand might not have 5 level safety). I think 4♣ is better than 4♥ regardless of if it is preempt kc or just forcing strong. Neither 6♥ or 6♠ is super fantastic slam dunk though. You need to avoid ruffs and have some potential handling issues, and pick up hearts for no losers only around 2/3 of the time.

[aguahombre]

Hmm, my joke about 4H being "kickforward" has failed with one poster already. Of course, 4C should be RKC.

BTW, hope I find out about the heart void so I can bid 6H instead of six spades which seems to be awkward on high club and diamond shift.

This post has been edited by aguahombre: 2011-November-04, 20:09

[Mbodell]

 aguahombre, on 2011-November-04, 19:53, said:

Hmm, my joke about 4H being "kickforward" has failed with one poster already. Of course, 4C should be RKC.

Ah, I see my "it" was confusing, I knew 4♥ was a joke. I meant I prefer 4♣ as rkc to 4♥ (natural) and I also prefer 4♣ as strong force to 4♥ (natural). So no matter the meaning of 4♣ I prefer it to bidding 4♥.

[jillybean]

Good, I'm glad noone thinks I'm too strong for 2♠.

[Cascade]

2♠ is normal.

South can count 13 potential tricks after 2♠ (sure there is likely to be a loser). 4♥ is very pessimistic.

[Cyberyeti]

 Cascade, on 2011-November-04, 22:49, said:

2♠ is normal.

South can count 13 potential tricks after 2♠ (sure there is likely to be a loser). 4♥ is very pessimistic.

TBF, you're only missing a slam if partner has ♠ AKQ (or less likely given the overcall ♠ KQ and ♣A, with a holding that means any ♦ losers can go west, KQ10xxx, xx, xx, Axx is still dead on a ♦ lead and very poor on the classic book problem club K) which is a small fraction of the time (as he can't have anything else or he opened one). In my world I would open one anyway given what a weak 2 could be even at this vul.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

I agree with Cyber...
You need the ♠AKQ.....for slam, and no way to explicitly show that with 2 keys + ♠Q .