[the hog]

 ahydra, on 2011-December-31, 16:48, said:

Why not pass? Partner has made a penalty X. Would rather not go for -800 instead of +100.

ahydra

Partner did NOT make a penalty double. Partner has a good hand with support for the other suits.


MrAce:

" i just could not construct a hand that is NOT good enough to start double, but good enough to force me to bid at 4 or 5 level red vs white and MP scoring."

Really? What about
Axx x KJx AKJTxx

As Cherdano posted, if you double, what are you going to do over 4H. If you pass, do you realise that this might be a double game swing? Would you really double with this hand?

"Sometimes DBL to a game contract means "i will defeat them" I would not be surprised to see pd holding

x AQT Axx AJxxxx"

Really? If pd held this he knows nothing about competitive bidding

[MrAce]

 the hog, on 2011-December-31, 21:42, said:

Really? What about
Axx x KJx AKJTxx

As Cherdano posted, if you double, what are you going to do over 4H. If you pass, do you realise that this might be a double game swing? Would you really double with this hand?

I guess i am the only one who thinks this type of hands are too good to start 2♣ with stiff in opponent suit, especially when i have no reason to fear pd bidding my short suit. All of this because we think LHO will bid 4♥.

And of course just because Cherdano said, it is always LHO who has the long ♥ and bids 4♥ when we start double, not the pd who passes 2♣ with Kxx JTxxx xxx Qx or xxx JTxxx Axx Qx or JTxxxx Kxxx Qx x

I also think you misunderstood, 1♥-2♣-4♥-p-p-DBL is %100 take out for me as well, and i said this in my previous post. But the auction in this topic is not same to me in regards to they are having a big fit. It is perfectly reasonable that they may have bid 4♥ because they have too many HCP to stop b4 game and a fit.

There is not even an argument about what to bid with this current hand when we are sure pd has 3136 16-17 hcp. There is no disagreement to pass with this hand either if we believe that pd meant business with his DBL. It all comes down to your style of starting with 3136 and 17 hcp. If you guys were my partner, then of course i would bid 4♠, if i played with someone like me who starts with DBL with those hands and loves to DBL when opponents cross the line then i would pass. Simple as is

I have to admit though, i would never think starting DBL over 1♥ with 3136 and 17 hcp is overwhelmingly a minority choice untill this topic. I respect to majority and always take a step back and rethink my methods when some decent players strongly suggests so. So let it be 4♠

HNY to all of you

[Phil]

Good discussion here. Pard held Qxx x AKx AKxxxx.

I bid 4S which was about to go down down 1 (WD Cherdano) but bridge is a funny game. LHO sitting with A AKQJxxx xxx xx bids 5H, so we collected 300.

[han]

 blackshoe, on 2011-December-30, 10:30, said:

I suspect that wasn't a spelling error, but a typographical one.

You are probably right.

[Fluffy]

I think partner is more likelly 2236 than 3136, but even in that worst case we still have double fit. And then you can think about 3127....

[JLOGIC]

Why would partner X with 2236?

[Fluffy]

 JLOGIC, on 2012-January-01, 16:55, said:

Why would partner X with 2236?

because he has 17-19

[JLOGIC]

 Fluffy, on 2012-January-01, 19:16, said:

because he has 17-19

I didn't realize that was written into the laws of bridge, sorry.

[bluecalm]

Easiest 4♠ in the history of this forum and maybe even bridge.
Move one spade to diamonds and it's probably still 4S although now it's a debate.
Also what's up with those crappy 16hcp with 3spades ? I mean, we didn't bid after 2♥, we are vulnerable. Partner is not doubling just because he has some 16 (or 18) hcp. He is probably 6-4 in blacks. Maybe 3-1-3-6 with real powerhouse.