[Fluffy]

♠AQJ63
♥K5
♦73
♣J1074

♠5
♥Q764
♦A2
♣AK8753


playing 6♣, all the 5 tables I saw, received ♦K as lead, and all of them guessed spades correctly I supose because they all made 6♣, do I miss something or was there one way clearly better than the other to play it? if it matters RHO has ♣Qx, LHO singleton.

[JLOGIC]

looks like spade to the queen. If RHO has the king and we play ace then queen king ruff, we have to cross in clubs and pitch a diamond on our spade. That leaves:

xx
Kx
x
J

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Qxxx
---
xx

If spades do not split we will go down from here anyways.

[MrAce]

Fluffy, on 2012-June-14, 17:22, said:

if it matters RHO has ♣Qx, LHO singleton.

Of course it matters, see the reply above.

I think reading the reply above will make a lot of people gain something valuable. This is why i replied, to bump the topic.

[twoshy]

If the Q appears on the first round of clubs, you can play ♠A, ♠ ruff high, ♣ to J, run ♠Q.

If someone drops the Q from Qx causing you to misguess spades, find an easier game

[gnasher]

I think it depends on the bidding.

Suppose that West passed over a 1♣ opening, non-vulnerable. With ♦KQxxx and ♠K he would probably have overcalled; with ♦KQ, ♠K, ♥A and a singleton club he would definitely have acted. Furthermore, his pass makes a 5-2 spade break less likely - with 10 cards in the red suits he would probably have bid, and 109xxx Axx KQxx x is a 1♠ overcall. Hence in that situation I'd take the ruffing finesse.

[Fluffy]

maybe the bidding mattered, LHO had ♠xxx ♥A109xx ♦KQxx ♣x and someone found a bid over a 2/1 response. I thoguh I would always play low to queen in spades so this really amazed me.

A comentator in vugraph said something about ♦KQ being 2 known cards affecting vacant spaces but that sound like nonsense to me.

[AlexJonson]

Fluffy, on 2012-June-16, 13:42, said:

maybe the bidding mattered, LHO had ♠xxx ♥A109xx ♦KQxx ♣x and someone found a bid over a 2/1 response. I thoguh I would always play low to queen in spades so this really amazed me.

A comentator in vugraph said something about ♦KQ being 2 known cards affecting vacant spaces but that sound like nonsense to me.

Just curious, why is the known location of some of the high card collection nonsense. May be the wrong way to tackle the hand, but implies east is more likely to hold the spade king does it not.

[Fluffy]

I didn't say it is nonsense, just that it sounds like nonsense to me.

[gnasher]

It sounds like 50% nonsense to me. Any diamond that he leads tells us that he was dealt that card, but that is balanced by knowing that RHO was dealt whatever diamond he plays to trick one.

♦K lead tells us, in addition, that he has ♦Q. However, trumps were 1=2, so at most that just makes the vacant spaces even. I'm not sure if it even does that - most diamond leads would give us an indication about some other diamond card, so we should treat this information with suspiscion.

This post has been edited by gnasher: 2012-June-16, 16:01