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1NT or 2Clubs or? 2/1 ACBL

#1 User is offline   dickiegera 

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Posted 2012-June-13, 18:37



Playing 2/1 what is your bid. I have been told by a very advanced player that bidding 2 of a new suit here promises
a 5 card suit. he says you must bid 1 NT and hear openers next bid.

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Posted 2012-June-13, 18:59

"Very advanced player" doesn't know what they are talking about if he is claiming everyone plays this way. Only 2h promising 5 is fairly universal. For the rest, there are at least the following possible styles, subject to partnership agreement, all of which have their own particular advantages & disadvantages. In no particular order:

1. 2c/2d are only 4+, 2c occasionally 3 holding exactly 3433 shape

2. 2d promise 5, 2c is balanced or clubs, 2c conceivably 2 cd suit if something like 3442

3. use 2nt/3nt as flat hands of various ranges (use some alternate bid for forcing spade raise), 2/1 is 5 cd suit nearly all the time except with some 1444s

4. bid 1nt forcing including some bal GF hands, absolutely forcing, catch up later (probably could use some artificiality later like using 1M-1nt-2m-3OM to help distinguish hands with/without spade support). Also you probably want to break up the 13-19 range and not bid 1nt with the entire range as it's hard to sort out when responder has something like 16-17 bal, and opener also has some 16-17ish unbal hand.
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Posted 2012-June-13, 19:38

If this was a poll, the majority would bid 2
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
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Posted 2012-June-13, 19:48

"Very advanced's" opinion notwithstanding, I'm bidding 2, followed by 2 or 3 if I must. Three card support, game force. wtp? B-)

Edit: OTOH, if I bid 1NT, maybe it'll go as it did twice in the past two days (different opponents bidding): LHO: 1, RHO: 1NT, LHO: 15 to 17. Yesterday when it happened RHO exploded "WHAT?!" :lol:
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Posted 2012-June-14, 02:47

Very advanced in what?

Stephen nailed it.
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Posted 2012-June-14, 17:49

You might find this recent thread a good read:
http://www.bridgebas...rong-3433-hand/
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