[shingkit]

 SimonFa, on 2012-September-04, 01:55, said:

IMPS, WvW, partner deals.

♠ 5
♥ JT632
♦ AQ8632
♣ 7

1NT (P) ?

When faced with this I thought all possibilities were available from slam to 2-level struggling. I tried transfer to Diamonds then bidding 4H for no other reason that I just couldn't see any way to what level we should be in and didn't want to be the only one missing game, even if it was W v W.

Partner corrected to 5D which was -2, as was 4H for those who tried that route.

Would anyone else stop in 3D, the only made contract out of 13, once you decide to bid or is this always destined to game level failure?

As always, thanks in advance?

Simon

Spoiler

Partner had: AKQ9 97 T97 AQT6

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IMPS, 局况双无，同伴发牌

♠ 5
♥ JT632
♦ AQ8632
♣ 7

1NT (P) ?


拿到此牌的时候，我感觉有不同的可能性。。。这可能是一副满贯的牌，也可能是2阶部分定约也很勉强的牌。我试图转移到方块，然后叫4♥ -- 没有什么特别的原因，只是我看不到我们应叫到多高，同时即便是双无，我可不想成为唯一丢局的人啊！


同伴改叫到5♦，结果-2。 尝试4♥的结果一样。

有人会停在3♦吗？这是13桌里面仅有一桌的结果。还是说，只要你一旦决定叫牌，就注定叫到不能完成的成局定约？


如同往常，先给大家谢过！


西蒙

[cqwbc]

在我的记忆里，好像没有持M+m5-5+ 邀请牌力的试探进局手段。也许搞个再次转移手段能解决这样问题。

在没有再次转移手段时，进取型牌手再叫3D。保守型牌手2D转移后pass。双无局，imp得失比差不多。

[21574770]

这是个辣手的问题，相信很难处理

[yin970902]

型好但是套弱，仅当开叫1nt的牌极其配合才有局。
但是，如果是这样，那么opps也会在♠和♣上极其配合。
没听到对手参与叫牌，成局就悬了！

[lycier]

风险啊风险，这种牌，遇到花色极配，满贯都会轻易打成，一定花色失配，所有的成局定约都是宕的。至于说，有人会停在3♦上吗？，有，是肯定有，只不过需要运用非常规约定装置，比如：瑞典1nt等。

[shingkit]

大家国庆节过得好吗？希望你都能享受剩下来的假期。以下是原贴子的一些跟贴。

 MrAce, on 2012-September-04, 02:24, said:

If i remember correctly Justin Lall in another thread in the past said he transfers to diamons and then bid his 5 card major at 4 level. Not sure if this hand qualifies for it and not sure if thats what it means for everyone but seems to me it is quite handy for that type of hands.

如果我没记错的话，Justin Lall过去在另一个贴子提到，他会先转移到方块，然后在4阶叫出他的5张高花套。不确定这手牌是否适用于此跳叫，也不确定所有人如何理解此跳叫，但对我来说，这是非常有用的。

[shingkit]

 rhm, on 2012-September-04, 03:05, said:

The problem with that is that 3NT may well be your only game.
If I look at declarer's actual hand I would want to be in 3NT, but no other game has much of a chance.
Simple is often best: Transfer to hearts and then bid your second suit diamonds. If partner bids 3NT over this, as he would here, pass.

I like another idea of Justin Lall: after 1NT-2♦-2♥-3♦ --> 3♥ confirms diamonds, not hearts.
This makes it clear that you should pass 3NT, since opener had a cheap alternative to confirm diamonds without bypassing 3NT.

Rainer Herrmann

楼上的问题是，3NT可能是你们唯一的成局定约。
如果看看庄家实际的牌，我希望打3NT定约，其他成局定约机会都不高。
简单往往是最好的：先转移到红心，然后叫出你的第2个方块套。如果同伴再叫3NT（这局他会这样），你不叫。

我喜欢Justin Lall的另一个主意： 在1NT-2♦-2♥-3♦ --> 3♥ 之后，确认确认方块，而非红心。
这样的话，开叫人有不需要越过3NT的便宜手段确认方块套，很显然你应该放过3NT不叫。

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 Phil, on 2012-September-04, 09:33, said:

Hopefully Kickback is disabled.

希望这里约定了反冲问叫不适用。

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 JLOGIC, on 2012-September-04, 09:37, said:

This is a good point, and in fact I have given up on 2N then 4H as a 5-6 non slammish since I think kickback is more important (but still play it with 2S then 4M and 2N then 4S). Obviously not a relevant point if you don't play kickback.

With bad hearts and good diamonds, it is reasonable to try and keep 3N in play and just treat this as a 5-5 anyways, that is what I'd do. With AQxxxx, I think 3N is pretty likely.

说的对，而事实上，我已放弃了采用2N然后4H来表示5-6无满贯兴趣，因为我认为反冲问叫更为重要（但我依然次啊用2S后4M以及2N后)。显然，如果你不采用反冲问叫，这并不相关。

对于差的红心套，好的方块套，尝试寻找3NT定约是合理的。就把它当成5-5处理好了，我会这么做。持有AQxxxx的话，我认为3NT是挺可能的。

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 Zelandakh, on 2012-September-05, 01:29, said:

Even better is for 1NT - 2♦; 2♥ - 3♣ to show diamonds. Now 3♦ is available as a natural way to show 4+ diamonds and 2 hearts and you can still use 3♥ to agree hearts. Hands with clubs can go via a 2♠ (or 2NT) rebid so you do not lose very much by playing 3♣ as a transfer here.

更好的方法是以1NT - 2♦; 2♥ - 3♣表示方块。现在 3♦可以用作自然的方式表示 4+方块 和2张红心，同时你可以继续采用 3♥确认红心。拥有梅花的牌可以通过2♠ (or 2NT)的再叫表示，因此，你在这里采用3♣作为转移叫不会失去太多。

[dillon561]

 shingkit, on 2012-September-29, 07:02, said:

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IMPS, 局况双无，同伴发牌

♠ 5
♥ JT632
♦ AQ8632
♣ 7

1NT (P) ?


拿到此牌的时候，我感觉有不同的可能性。。。这可能是一副满贯的牌，也可能是2阶部分定约也很勉强的牌。我试图转移到方块，然后叫4♥ -- 没有什么特别的原因，只是我看不到我们应叫到多高，同时即便是双无，我可不想成为唯一丢局的人啊！


同伴改叫到5♦，结果-2。 尝试4♥的结果一样。

有人会停在3♦吗？这是13桌里面仅有一桌的结果。还是说，只要你一旦决定叫牌，就注定叫到不能完成的成局定约？


如同往常，先给大家谢过！


西蒙

这牌你就7P的一手邀请牌力,若H有强支持当然能有局,如果H没支持(2张)D有好支持满的可能性觉得不太大,3NT倒有可能,所以我觉得还是应该先正常转移至2H够再叫3D,显示你只有邀请点力.你牌展示完了主叫就在同伴了,他高限H有支持可以考虑4H,低限改叫3H,若H没支持而D有K3张以上的支持,两黑花色有止的高限牌就可以考虑3NT,低限就PASS.当然如果他转移叫时就直接转移至3H,那表示他高限4张好支持,有这好消息了你还是直接4H止叫为好,因为你毕竟点力强度就那么多,满足一个局就够了.

[yzdhy668]

我认为先2C，开叫人2H有希望完成4H，开叫人其他再叫（估计5D难MK），应叫人用2NT邀请。

[sleekrain]

想成局太幼稚，即使有也不叫，转移2Hpass

[madongjun]

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又仔细看了一遍，原来这段话是对原外国贴主的一个声明，说是为了传播他的贴子给中国的牌友。如果原贴主不管什么原因不同意这样做，那么singkit将无条件的尽可能马上删除！

看了上面的跟贴（包括shingkit从原贴处取过来的），发现外国朋友的跟贴有更多的信息在里面，有更多的讨论，更多的方法和建议供大家借鉴。

顺便问一句：shingkit在论坛群里吗？中文名字是什么呢？英文水平真好！羡慕ing……