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It seems to me that South's 3♠ bid should be showing something more than his 2♣ bid had already shown, since he could have simply balanced with 2♠ (which would also have been explained as "3+S; 10+ total points") with a minimum.
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Clarifying After Cuebid
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Posted 2012-August-05, 23:23
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Posted 2012-August-06, 18:54
Possibly GIB N showed a good hand by not bidding 2♠ himself (if forced to a certain contract, bidding it immediately shows the worst possible hand). GIB N is thinking that if you knew there was game opposite the most minimum of his "good hand"s then you would have bid game yourself, so feels safe passing your invitational 3♠.
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Posted 2012-August-06, 19:09
Agreed. I'm suggesting that since the description of 2♠ as a second bid by South is "3+S; 10+ total points" and the description of 4♠ instead is "3+S; 16+ total points", the description of 3♠ should be "3+S; 13-15 total points".
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Posted 2012-October-01, 16:14
Similar situation.
After South's cuebid, North should have the choices of:
* signing off/simply competing to 2♠
* inviting to 4♠
* bidding 4♠.
Each of these three alternatives should be assigned different subsets of North's initial possible strength range (8-17HCP; 9-19 total), with the understanding that there's sometimes fudging based on extra trumps and other factors. Unfortunately, both 2♠ and 3♠ as North's second bid carry the same description as North's original 1♠ bid. 4♠ as a possible second bid said "15HCP"; not 14, not 16, exactly 15. Can we please tier the explanations of 2♠/3♠/4♠? Thanks.
After South's cuebid, North should have the choices of:
* signing off/simply competing to 2♠
* inviting to 4♠
* bidding 4♠.
Each of these three alternatives should be assigned different subsets of North's initial possible strength range (8-17HCP; 9-19 total), with the understanding that there's sometimes fudging based on extra trumps and other factors. Unfortunately, both 2♠ and 3♠ as North's second bid carry the same description as North's original 1♠ bid. 4♠ as a possible second bid said "15HCP"; not 14, not 16, exactly 15. Can we please tier the explanations of 2♠/3♠/4♠? Thanks.
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Posted 2012-October-05, 03:45
After South's cuebid, North should have the choices of:
* signing off/simply competing to 2♠
* inviting to 4♠
* bidding 4♠.
Each of these three alternatives should be assigned different subsets of North's initial possible strength range (8-17HCP; 9-19 total), with the understanding that there's sometimes fudging based on extra trumps and other factors. Unfortunately, both 2♠ and 3♠ as North's second bid carry the same description as North's original 1♠ bid. 4♠ as a possible second bid said "15HCP"; not 14, not 16, exactly 15. Can we please tier the explanations of 2♠/3♠/4♠? Thanks.
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It also has the choice of pass in this hand which should minimum hand with high card points in hearts.
* signing off/simply competing to 2♠
* inviting to 4♠
* bidding 4♠.
Each of these three alternatives should be assigned different subsets of North's initial possible strength range (8-17HCP; 9-19 total), with the understanding that there's sometimes fudging based on extra trumps and other factors. Unfortunately, both 2♠ and 3♠ as North's second bid carry the same description as North's original 1♠ bid. 4♠ as a possible second bid said "15HCP"; not 14, not 16, exactly 15. Can we please tier the explanations of 2♠/3♠/4♠? Thanks.
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It also has the choice of pass in this hand which should minimum hand with high card points in hearts.
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