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What's partner got? Double jump after their redouble

#1 User is offline   jallerton 

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Posted 2012-October-17, 16:38



Teams, vulnerable against not. I have two questions.

1. What type of hand are you expecting from partner? Write down an example hand.

2. What call do you select now?
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Posted 2012-October-17, 17:10

I answer this way:

2. Pass quicker - I don't want to tank here.

1. Phew. On subsequent analysis, I'm expecting Jx x xxx KJTxxxx or Qxx - xx QJxxxxxx. Sorry, that's two.

And I would overcall 3 FWIW. Strong at these colours, to stop partner hitting the nut low flop.
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Posted 2012-October-17, 20:59

View Postjallerton, on 2012-October-17, 16:38, said:



Teams, vulnerable against not. I have two questions.

1. What type of hand are you expecting from partner? Write down an example hand.

2. What call do you select now?


7 or 8 clubs not suitable for an opening pre empt. Maybe headed by the J or similar. I pass.
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Posted 2012-October-17, 21:38

View Postjallerton, on 2012-October-17, 16:38, said:



Teams, vulnerable against not. I have two questions.

1. What type of hand are you expecting from partner? Write down an example hand.

2. What call do you select now?

1) Splinter in hearts - very weak.
xx
xxxxxx (you only promised 4, so he better have a fistful)
xxxx
x

2) 4 down 1 - Optimistically.

Pessimistically, a void in clubs, and an extra spade or diamond, most likely an extra spade or even two. Otherwise opponents would have been in 4 spades instead of redouble to partner.
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Posted 2012-October-18, 00:10

View PostFM75, on 2012-October-17, 21:38, said:

1) Splinter in hearts - very weak.

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Pessimistically, a void in clubs, and an extra spade or diamond, most likely an extra spade or even two. Otherwise opponents would have been in 4 spades instead of redouble to partner.


Excuse me???????????????
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Posted 2012-October-18, 02:46

1. long weak clubs, a 4027 hand or so...

2. I pass, I doubt that we miss a slam...
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Posted 2012-October-18, 06:55

clubs, weak and not suitable for a 2nd seat red preempt. pass imo. Heck, this might even work out well for us if LHO feels like he has to do something with his super-max pass and if RHO took some 3rd chair liberties.
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Posted 2012-October-19, 14:25

Pass quickly, redouble told you that partner is bust with a zillion .
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Posted 2012-October-19, 17:33

Don't really know what 4C is but looking at this auction and vul I'm afraid one (or both) of the opponents are jokering.
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Posted 2012-October-29, 16:12

Thanks for the replies. I had this hand at the table. I passed, assuming that my partner had a long clubs suit, with the suit not good enough for a 'red' pre-empt.

Alas, this was the full hand:



The good news was that partner made 4. The bad news was that 4 could not be beaten (on the favourable lie it takes a trump lead to stop 12 tricks).

My team-mates said I should have bid 4, so it's good to see responses from some people who did not know all four hands.

andy_h said:

Don't really know what 4C is but looking at this auction and vul I'm afraid one (or both) of the opponents are jokering.


You were correct! To be fair, this was the last set of a knockout match and the opponents were trying to claw back a significant deficit (and with the help of this board, they almost succeeded).
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Posted 2012-October-30, 07:20

Some would open a weak two with East's hand... And West redoubles with spade support? You were unlucky. From partner's point of view you have a near-minimal info double. From your point of view partner cannot have an ace.
That said, partner should have known something was not right... Where are the spades? Did East open 1 with 7 or 8 of them? I think 3 by partner is more practical in these circumstances...

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View Postjallerton, on 2012-October-29, 16:12, said:

Thanks for the replies. I had this hand at the table. I passed, assuming that my partner had a long clubs suit, with the suit not good enough for a 'red' pre-empt.

Alas, this was the full hand:



The good news was that partner made 4. The bad news was that 4 could not be beaten (on the favourable lie it takes a trump lead to stop 12 tricks).

My team-mates said I should have bid 4, so it's good to see responses from some people who did not know all four hands.



You were correct! To be fair, this was the last set of a knockout match and the opponents were trying to claw back a significant deficit (and with the help of this board, they almost succeeded).

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Posted 2012-October-30, 09:18

View Postlowerline, on 2012-October-30, 07:20, said:

I think 3 by partner is more practical in these circumstances...

Over the redouble, I think 3 also shows a weak hand with long clubs. The only way to show a good hand is to pass and then bid on the next round.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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