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#1 User is offline   JonnyQuest 

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Posted 2012-December-17, 18:50

In the following auction:

1 - (X) - 2

What are you expecting for the 2 response?

Can it be...
  • 10+ HCP?
  • Less than 10?
  • Either?


Does it show...
  • An inability to respond 1 Spade
  • An inability to respond 2NT (Limit+ raise in Hearts)


What responses, after the double, are forcing by an unpassed hand?

Thanks! :huh:
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Posted 2012-December-17, 20:01

Assuming Natural Bidding only: 4-9 HCP and 5+ cards. Weak-constructive and denies a fit.
With xxxx xx AQxxxx x, 2 likely better than 1.

Redouble 10+ implies no fit (might contain 3 card limit raise).
1 level forces 6+ HCP 4+ Cards, as if the double never happened.

Note: Kaplan and Sheinwold advocated playing 2bids here are natural and forcing. Not see many do this anymore.

Bergen Raises over Major and Double (BROMAD) changed the landscape a bit.
So have transfer responses over takeout doubles.
Both these approaches add value with fit bids that distinguish between weak, constructive, and invitational hands.
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Posted 2012-December-18, 04:51

View PostJonnyQuest, on 2012-December-17, 18:50, said:

In the following auction:

1 - (X) - 2

What are you expecting for the 2 response?

Can it be...
  • 10+ HCP?
  • Less than 10?
  • Either?


Does it show...
  • An inability to respond 1 Spade
  • An inability to respond 2NT (Limit+ raise in Hearts)


What responses, after the double, are forcing by an unpassed hand?

Thanks! :huh:


I play this as 10+ (forcing) and a 5crd suit or longer (otherwise redouble). It denies 4crd heart support (otherwise 2nt). It denies a 4crd spade suit (otherwise redouble).

Steven



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Posted 2012-December-18, 05:07

Even if not playing NFB after suit overcalls, it is quite common to play NFB after they
made a T/O.
On the ground, that after we have opened he bidding / they having shown opening values, I
usually wont have opening values as well.

But you have to make an agreement.

If you want to create a gameforce absent agreements, start with XX.

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Marlowe
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Posted 2012-December-18, 05:13

If you are playing ITD, it is natural and forcing. In this case, all responses except Pass, Redouble and a direct raise are forcing.
If you are playing strong1, weak2, it is natural and non-forcing. In this case, all the same bids as above are forcing except 2 of a new suit.
If you are playing transfers, it is a good heart raise. In this case, everything is forcing except a direct raise and, depending on your structure, 1NT.
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Posted 2012-December-18, 07:55

As it happens, the auction (well, clubs, not diamonds) occurred yesterday. My hand:





This is absolutely the least I would have. Partner made 2NT although it could have been set. I was prepared to apologize. I upgraded the 8 count because of the heart Queen.

I like to play this call as constructive but not forcing. Basically, it means that I think that I am likely to have a play for making 2.. I don't think it denies having ten points. A redouble shows ten points, but that is different from saying that the lack of a redouble denies ten points. For example, change my club 4 to a club Queen. Do I really want to redouble? I am not planning on doubling their spades for penalties at either the one level or the two level. I favor getting my suit in right now. If partner has a modest club fit we can contest 2 with 3, and then if they go on in spades I might well consider (if holding the club Q instead of the club 4) doubling. This last thought applies at matchpoints I think.
Ken
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