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What do you need for a Take out double [ take 2] 2/1 ACBL

#1 User is offline   dickiegera 

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Posted 2013-April-10, 08:04



Sorry for the first post. This is what I intended.

What does West need for a Take Out Double here with a 1-4-4-4 hand
Is 8pts enough NV?

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Posted 2013-April-10, 08:08

View Postdickiegera, on 2013-April-10, 08:04, said:



Sorry for the first post. This is what I intended.

What does West need for a Take Out Double here with a 1-4-4-4 hand
Is 8pts enough NV?

Thank you


Try stepping into a live auction with 8 points a few times and you will get a clear enough answer.
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Posted 2013-April-10, 08:23

In case that is not clear, the answer is no.

But you don't need much more. A good 11 HCP with that shape is sufficient, especially if you have extra intermediates (10's and 9's). For example:

x AJT9 QTxx AT9x

would be a clear takeout double, while

a KJxx QJxx KJxx

would be borderline.

I suspect that others might consider my last example a clear double rather than borderline.
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Posted 2013-April-10, 09:07

Colours and form of scoring matter. Love All at Pairs you have to be aggressive, although even then 8 is lower than most will go. At other times it is probably best only to jump in here with some reasonable prospect of game opposite 13-14hcp balanced, so Art's 11hcp guideline is about right.
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Posted 2013-April-10, 15:16

I agree with Zelandakh at matchpoints NV get in there. At Imps or MP vul I want 11 pts with good shape and some intermediates.
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