[mike777]

again just a guess that south thought this was a dead minimum in their style. It would be in mine.

North thought it was a hand with alot of extras. For many posters this is a hand with lots of extras.

the good news is now they can discuss and come to an agreement.


bridge can be hard if 1d= 2c is 10-30 including crappy to great clubs.

[sfi]

 PhilKing, on 2013-April-15, 18:45, said:

Natural 2NT bidders are a minority, even in the land of Acol. You just have to respond 2♣ and work it all out later.

Obviously it will turn out the pair does not even play Acol.

Which is indeed the case, as it turns out from the system added to the OP.

[lowerline]

I blame both. South for his 3nt bid and North for his 4♠ bid.
South should have bid 4♣ instead of 3nt. The South hand is minimal in hcp's, but with a 6crd suit and 2 keycards not a bad hand for slam.
North should have bid 4♣ instead of 4♠, showing he is still interested in slam but not strong enough to take control. In light of his previous 3nt South has a great hand for slam.

Steven

[Codo]

I think you asked the wrong question,
1. This is no 3 NT bid.
2. If rthey develop their own methods and include: No up the line control bidding, no KC, no minorwood and no 5 club is forwardgoing- what shall we say? I would say: If your judgement and your partnership understanding is as it is, try a system which needs less thinking and less judgement and more FAQs.

And to answer your question: I share your view. North SHOUTED Slam slam slam despite the 3 NT bid and south did not listen. He bids as if he holds xx, AKQJ,xx,Qxxxx.

[y66]

 wank, on 2013-April-15, 16:01, said:

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The south player, who asked me, thought he couldn't do more as he had a working 7 count for his 2 level response, whereas I said he has 2 keycards, extra club length, only 3 points wasted in hearts where he could easily have more after his 3NT call, and the potential to ruff out partner's diamonds. With 6 club tricks and 2 known heart ruffs in dummy, he doesn't need much in the way of high cards to make slam, yet his partner's bidding like a train.

I think this is the way for south to think about his hand after partner bids 4S.

[gszes]

This topic comes up a lot. The main question is why did N not begin with xx???
If this has no special meaning in this partnership it should mean they fit clubs
and have extra values. This means the absence of xx makes all other bidding
more distributional and less powerful. for ex why cant N bidding mean something
like Axx void AJxxxx QJxx where 3n seems a far cry from the right spot and 5c a much
more likely spot under most circumstances?? Beginning with xx would have given
the partnership a much firmer ground for slam exploration.

It is difficult to blame south for signing off since the only card they have that might
be considered not already shown in the bidding is the 6th club. If all p needed for
slam was the two top club honors they would have used blackwood. the failure to
use blackwood suggests opener needs more and S does not have it.

[FrancesHinden]

I think North did well to bid on over 3NT - which doesn't look obvious to me - and South has an obvious slam bid over 4S.
I admit I disagree with the 4S bid but that shouldn't have stopped the final contract.