[billw55]

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Matchpoints, none vul. Well?

[Cyberyeti]

Well it's a guess, has partner got Axxx, xxx, Qxx, Qxx or K10xx, Axxx, Qx, xxx ? I think the gamble is odds against because you run the risk that W has a say 4432 or 3433 depending on system 19 count and partner has a flat pile.

I think it's bad but not completely terrible, there is a possible upside but I'd say it's 30-70 against most opps but worse against strong opps with a hair trigger on the doubles.

[ArtK78]

Partner could not act over 1♣, so he is limited.

It could work, or you could be walking into a buzzsaw. Just remember to ask yourself, are you feeling lucky?

[CSGibson]

I would not do it or even seriously consider it.

[PhilKing]

Even when it's right to double, it doesn't work, since the ox may assume we have our bid.

[Cyberyeti]

PhilKing, on 2013-April-17, 14:58, said:

Even when it's right to double, it doesn't work, since the ox may assume we have our bid.

This is true, but having your bid is no more than a 4441 13 count so partner won't go overboard with 9, as he won't have a 5 card suit or he'd have overcalled it already.

[mycroft]

How big is "inverted"? 6-9, or 0-6, or what?

Having said that, partner likely is xxx2; so the arguments that he couldn't overcall 1♣ make sense. The rare cases where he's xxx3, though...

[inquiry]

If you agree to play OBAR* bids, this double is not that bad. I would prefer one less club and one more spade, but sometimes you have to bid the hand you hold. Having said that, I believe even playing OBAR I would pass this hand. Not having an agreement to play OBAR bids, this is no where near a double.

*OBAR - Opponents Bid And Raise

[the hog]

how bad is double?
Appallingly bad - even a beginner would not do this.

[gwnn]

Having associated double with this hand for a fraction of a second, I lost my appetite and will to live. I feel I cannot adequately describe my feelings about this x yet, I will need to think of some sort of diagram or poem.

[Zelandakh]

How about this gwnn?

The opps they did bid up to 3
And on double I thought "Deary me!
This hand is all defence
And it makes really no sense
If I want next game partner to see."

[EricK]

In general, this sort of light double works well when it allows us to find a contract at the two level, or push them up to the three level. Where they have already pushed themselves up to the three level, we generally oughtn't compete unless we have some reasonable hope of making something at the three level. So we need to be strong enough for there to be some play if partner has a 5 card suit and a hand too weak to overcall, or a 4 card suit in a hand unsuitable to overcall. Neither seems to be the case here.

[billw55]

I had a feeling it was pretty bad.

This happened near the end of an already lousy session. We were both pretty much on tilt. I gave it a shot, partner went -800 in 3♥x. Sometimes justice is served even on forum hands

[lamford]

Zelandakh, on 2013-April-18, 04:44, said:

How about this gwnn?

The opps they did bid up to 3
And on double I thought "Deary me!
This hand is all defence
And it makes really no sense
If I want next game partner to see."

Double here is really bad
This hand will make my partner sad
My partner couldn't bid before
And acting now he will deplore

[neilkaz]

mycroft, on 2013-April-17, 16:11, said:

How big is "inverted"? 6-9, or 0-6, or what?

In my experience many non expert pairs often aren't sure and will get into problems if opener has a big hand. Sometimes opener will try for game or miss game and be wrong. This is another reason why doubling here is very wrong.

[1eyedjack]

lamford, on 2013-April-18, 09:05, said:

Double here is really bad
This hand will make my partner sad
My partner couldn't bid before
And acting now he will deplore

When your chin has grown some stubble
and you've risen past a subaul-
tern, no longer then a cherub you'll
have learned when not to double

[JLOGIC]

I would always X

[JLOGIC]

PhilKing, on 2013-April-17, 14:58, said:

Even when it's right to double, it doesn't work, since the ox may assume we have our bid.

Alright down 2 vs their cold partscore is still better. Don't act like anyone would X phil MFing king or hihs partner and even if they did you'd make an extra trick BROSKI. Andif partner wants to bid game tell him to learn how to overcall at the 1 level

[PhilKing]

JLOGIC, on 2013-April-20, 12:21, said:

Alright down 2 vs their cold partscore is still better. Don't act like anyone would X phil MFing king or hihs partner and even if they did you'd make an extra trick BROSKI. Andif partner wants to bid game tell him to learn how to overcall at the 1 level

They never double me because I have convinced everyone I am a rock!

[JLOGIC]

Reading between the lines, your earlier replies were solely for metagame purposes. KING