[dickiegera]

Are you allowed to open a 1 bid with 9 pts in 3rd seat. The General CC says 1♦ and 1♣ needs 10 pts.

Thank you

[ArtK78]

Yes.

[RMB1]

dickiegera, on 2013-June-10, 11:39, said:

Are you allowed to open a 1 bid with 9 pts in 3rd seat. The General CC says 1♦ and 1♣ needs 10 pts.

A different questions is:

Are you allowed to agree to open a 1 bid with 9 pts in 3rd seat. The General CC says 1♦ and 1♣ needs 10 pts.

[hrothgar]

RMB1, on 2013-June-10, 13:00, said:

A different questions is:

Are you allowed to agree to open a 1 bid with 9 pts in 3rd seat. The General CC says 1♦ and 1♣ needs 10 pts.

You are completely misinterpreting the charts

The 10 HCP requirement only applies if you are using 1♣ or 1♦ as an "an all-purpose opening bid (artificial or natural)".
There is no such HCP requirement if you are playing a standard 1m opening.

The intent of this regulation is to sanction treatments like a Polish 1♣ opening or a Precision 1♦ opening.

Please note that the GCC does not contain any language allowing any kind of 1S opening (nor for that matter, a 1H opening)
This doesn't mean that you are barred from opening 1M, instead it illustrates my basic point that "standard" 1 level openings don't require explicit sanction under the GCC.

[blackshoe]

Where the GCC does not address "natural" bids, the implication is that the ACBL is not regulating such bids.

Natural suit opening bids must contain at least 3 cards in the bid suit if a minor, and at least 4 cards in the bid suit if a major, with one exception: if a 4=4=3=2 hand is opened 1♣ by agreement, that is considered natural. Natural suit opening bids at the one level must not, by agreement, contain fewer than 8 HCP. It is permissible to psych such an opening with less than 8 HCP. There are no other regulations pertaining to natural opening suit bids on the one level.

As has been pointed out, the GCC says that 1m "all purpose" opening bids require ten points. Unfortunately, the ACBL forgot to tell us what "all purpose" means, but Hrothgar is right about the purpose of the regulation.

Bottom line: if your agreement is to open 1m with somewhere in the range of 9+ HCP and at least 3 cards in the suit, it's legal in any seat, even if you have another longer suit. It's even legal if you have two cards in the suit, provided the suit is clubs and the distribution is exactly 4=4=3=2.

[RMB1]

RMB1, on 2013-June-10, 13:00, said:

A different questions is:

Are you allowed to agree to open a 1 bid with 9 pts in 3rd seat. The General CC says 1♦ and 1♣ needs 10 pts.

hrothgar, on 2013-June-10, 13:11, said:

You are completely misinterpreting the charts

I don't think I can be misinterpreting anything - I simply reworded the original question!

The OP may be misunderstanding the charts - in which case a good answer would be "the OP is misunderstanding the charts".

[barmar]

As others have pointed out, the GCC doesn't specify required point counts for natural suit openings. They also don't prohibit extremely light NT openings, but prohibit conventional responses and rebids over them.

However, the Alert Procedure does have something to say about this:

Quote

2) SYSTEMS BASED ON VERY LIGHT OPENINGS OR OTHER HIGHLY AGGRESSIVE METHODS
If it is your partnership style to routinely open hands with fewer than 11 HCP, preempt with very weak (frequently worse than Qxxxxx) suits, and/or overcalls with fewer than 6 HCP at the one level, the opponents must be pre-Alerted.

However, "routinely" is generally interpreted as meaning that it applies in all seats -- if you only open light in 3rd seat, it's not considered routine and your system is not "based on very light openings".

[ggwhiz]

ie. white vs red you can psyche and I noted in another thread where a VERY good player opened 1♠ in 3rd on Txx and a 4 triple 3 1 count. Ended up -1400 for a push when his equally world class opponent at the other table did the same thing!

As long as it is only a tactical ploy with no body language or fielding by partner it assumes the risk and is fair ball.