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#1 User is offline   hrothgar 

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Posted 2013-July-27, 14:47

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J53
AJ54
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AQT94
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AKJ
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Posted 2013-July-27, 14:58

View Posthrothgar, on 2013-July-27, 14:47, said:

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MOSCITO Auction

3 - 3
4 - 4
4N - 5
5 - 5
5 - 6

I'm really torn on this one. RA knows about two eight card fits with the AK of Clubs on the side.
I'd probably get greedy even after the minimum response

3H = QP ask
3S = 6 QP
4 = Scan
4S = 1-2 controls in Spades and Diamonds, 0-3 in Hearts
4N = Scan
5C = 1 spade control
5D = scan
5H = 1 Diamond control
5H = Ask
6H = Jack of Hearts, Jack of Spades, Jack of Diamonds

At this point in time, there are two choices. Pass and play 5H
Ask for the Heart Jack, intending to play 5N if partner denies it
I think that its better to ask...

By far the most interesting hand. Can't wait to see other decisions
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Posted 2013-July-27, 15:59

I keycard in S because its more economical.

3H--4C (2noQ)
4D--4H (K of D ?--no)
4Nt--(Kof H ?--no)
5C--5D (QofD ?--no)
5S

Another possibility is to swidle into ending in 5H.

5D--5H (Q of H ?-- no)
pass

BUT imo asking for Q of D make more sense because with the Q of D partner make may another move holding 2 jacks or a stiff Q clubs. He knows we dont have K of D and K of H but we are still interested in 6 so it probably mean we have a chance to run clubs or H.

The problem with asking K&D of D is that they are going to lead D 100% of the times. That why sometimes you have to bluff a little.
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Posted 2013-July-27, 16:09

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At this point in time, there are two choices. Pass and play 5H
Ask for the Heart Jack, intending to play 5N if partner denies it
I think that its better to ask...


How come you have a sure D loser and you are missing K of H so slam cannot be more that 50%.
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For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
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Posted 2013-July-27, 16:10

View Posthrothgar, on 2013-July-27, 14:47, said:

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3-3 QP ask, 6 or less (GF values)
4-P picked spades since in my system South would be declaring spades but not hearts
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Posted 2013-July-27, 16:16

View Postbenlessard, on 2013-July-27, 16:09, said:

How come you have a sure D loser and you are missing K of H so slam cannot be more that 50%.


I don't think that 5N will play that much worse than 5H and if partner does come through with the Jack of Hearts...
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Posted 2013-July-27, 16:16

View Posthrothgar, on 2013-July-27, 14:47, said:

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...3D

Given that we will need at least two Aces, it seems like RKC is the best start.

...3S...4D (2 key cards, no QS).

Now that we are past the first hurdle, it's OK to move on since we will likely survive the 5-level even opposite just two Aces.

...4N...5S (fishing for K; no control in )

5 will end the auction unless the state of the match dictates otherwise.
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Posted 2013-July-27, 16:46

I think both 5H&5S are going to be a lot better that 5NT if he doesnt have the J of H.

Even if he does is 6 that good ? it seems that with xx in D the chance they lead D is pretty high. Because of my auction theyll lead D close to 100% so maybe im biased here.
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For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
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Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2013-July-27, 17:03

View Postbenlessard, on 2013-July-27, 16:46, said:

I think both 5H&5S are going to be a lot better that 5NT if he doesnt have the J of H.

Even if he does is 6 that good ? it seems that with xx in D the chance they lead D is pretty high. Because of my auction theyll lead D close to 100% so maybe im biased here.


Even with a Diamond lead, the slam is 50%if you have the Heart J
If the heart hook is on, you have 5 spade tricks, 5 heart tricks, two clubs, and a top Diamond
(And that's if they lead a Diamond)
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Posted 2013-July-27, 18:41

.. 3 (shape)
3 - 3 (5-6 QP)

We can pitch diamonds on spades here, so two aces is enough. We also have five-level safety opposite most hands:

4 - 4NT (6 QP, one top spade and one top diamond and no top hearts)

This is either Axxxx xxx Axxx x or Axxxx xxx Kxxx Q; the first offers decent chances (better if holding a major jack). Fortunately the second hand is bidding 5 over the next relay, which is a reasonable resting spot.

5 - 5
6 - Pass
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Posted 2013-July-28, 06:22

View Posthrothgar, on 2013-July-27, 14:47, said:

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Straube

3-3 QP ask, 6
4

I could find the slam via

3-3 QP ask, 6
4-4 PCB, odd spade and odd diamond but even heart
4N-6 ask, small club and SA or SQ and skip for SJ, skip for DJ, skip for HJ
6


but it isn't safe to ask. I don't find out about the HJ until 6C and a 5N response would deny the HJ and leave me too high. Unlike Adam, I know pd has two aces and not the stiff CQ at the point of 4 because we treat stiff queens as small cards.
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Posted 2013-July-30, 05:55

I don't understand why almost everyone is so enthousiastic about 6 QP's (18 combined). After a lead you need K onside. I'd just signoff...

...-3 (shape)
3-3 (QP ask ; 6)
4M-pass (signoff)

4M depending on what Major I prefer most at that time.

Note: if you plan on bidding slam opposite this hand, you might as well bid grand: you're either 2 off or you'll make it.
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Posted 2013-July-30, 06:51

View PostFree, on 2013-July-30, 05:55, said:

I don't understand why almost everyone is so enthousiastic about 6 QP's (18 combined). After a lead you need K onside. I'd just signoff...

Note: if you plan on bidding slam opposite this hand, you might as well bid grand: you're either 2 off or you'll make it.


Two good points...

I found this hand one of the interesting for a variety of reasons
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Posted 2013-July-30, 21:51

If you are highly certain they lead D than 7 is better than 6 otherwise 6 is better because your going to succeed if they dont lead D & the KH is offside.
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For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
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Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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