[badderzboy]

Scoring: IMP

Benji Acol (both pairs) RONF over weak 2's

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Bidding at our table was 2♥-DBL-4♥-P-P-P-DBL-PPP

(1) Is 4♥ a good bid here - possibly down 3 doubled Vul - Feel free to criticise I bid 4 ♥ - we were down 2 as West missed opportunity of leading through ♣

(2) Would u slam try on East's hand?

Thanks

Steve

[Free]

I would just bid 2♠ with the East hand, not Dbl. It's forcing and shows my suit. Then south might bid 4♥ again and it's West's decision if he'll continue. Imo it's quite poor to play a slam on finesse. East has some values, but West only had distribution, and a lucky ♣QJ. I'd probably end up in 4♠ or 4♥*.

[the hog]

Cant' bid 2S as the hand is far too good for that. I would double and bid 4S over the opponents' 4H.
The 4H bid is a little aggressive at this vulnerability with such sterile distribution; I would bid bid 4 if nv. West should bid 5C over the second double in your given auction.

[luke warm]

i agree, i'd never bid 2s on that hand... double then jump if need be (going again by klinger's recommendation)

as for south's 4h, i think it's a decent bid... he has 7 hcp, he knows the opps have game (at least) somewhere, and they do have 10+ trumps

[pclayton]

Dbl with East looks easy enough. When 4♥ gets bounced back to me, I'm probably just bidding 4♠. West might will probably pass. If I choose to double a 2nd time (very reasonable) West has a clear 5♣ call. Hard for either to do much more.

Its not a good slam, as you have to take an early club finesse through the weak 2 bidder.

I honestly can't answer this problem objectively as all four hands are in plain site. I'd prefer it if posters gave us one hand to pose the problem and then follow up later with the full layout.

I really don't know if I'd double a second time or bid 4♠; I might do either on any given day.

[han]

I agree with pclayton's post.

I also think that 4H is a good bid

[Cowology]

I don't particularly like the 4H bid. Vuln with a flat hand it's just a bit to aggresive for me. That said, if my P bid 4H I could certainly live with that. It's not unreasonable, I just prefer a more modest 3H.

With Easts hand I definately Dbl 2H and I would most likely bid 4S over 4H. But ask me again tomorrow after I've read everybody elses insightfull comments and I might change my mind :-)

[joker_gib]

Free, on Jan 18 2005, 05:04 PM, said:

I would just bid 2♠ with the East hand, not Dbl. It's forcing and shows my suit.

2♠ is inconceivable with 22 HCP and by the way is not forcing for me !

I would dbl and probably reopen with 4♠

[Chamaco]

Free, on Jan 18 2005, 10:04 PM, said:

I would just bid 2♠ with the East hand, not Dbl. It's forcing and shows my suit.

This time I read the bidding right , and, after making sure that it is opps who preempted and NOT our side , I can safely say that a 2S overcall is NOT forcing, and pard is allowed to pass with a bad hand

[Free]

Chamaco, on Jan 19 2005, 10:53 AM, said:

Free, on Jan 18 2005, 10:04 PM, said:

I would just bid 2♠ with the East hand, not Dbl.  It's forcing and shows my suit.

This time I read the bidding right , and, after making sure that it is opps who preempted and NOT our side , I can safely say that a 2S overcall is NOT forcing, and pard is allowed to pass with a bad hand

Lol! I usually play it forcing for 1 round, so I can bid it and kill partner if he passes

[mr1303]

So give yourself:

AKxxx
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Axxx
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and over their weak 2H, a 2S would be forcing for 1 round? THis not only gives them 1 opportunity to double you after an agressive overcall, but 2, the second 1 at a higher level. So an opponent with a 16 count and a misfit can pass the first round since it is forcing, and then crucify you the second time round for an extra undertrick.

Incidently, does anyone think the 2H opening is a bit agressive given that North is vulnerable?

[joker_gib]

mr1303, on Jan 19 2005, 07:02 AM, said:

Incidently, does anyone think the 2H opening is a bit agressive given that North is vulnerable?

Yes, close, but the suit is not too bad and can bring 4 tricks, so why not ...

[the hog]

Free, on Jan 19 2005, 09:27 PM, said:

Chamaco, on Jan 19 2005, 10:53 AM, said:

Free, on Jan 18 2005, 10:04 PM, said:

I would just bid 2♠ with the East hand, not Dbl.  It's forcing and shows my suit.

This time I read the bidding right , and, after making sure that it is opps who preempted and NOT our side , I can safely say that a 2S overcall is NOT forcing, and pard is allowed to pass with a bad hand

Lol! I usually play it forcing for 1 round, so I can bid it and kill partner if he passes

Wow. I made no comment as i was sure you had misread the problem. I suspect you are the only person in the world who plays this as forcing. Why play an overcall doubled at the 2 level when you can play an overcall doubled at the three level?