This was the usual sequence at the Club. Your partner evidently holds a weak in hearts. Would you double, pass or bid one more for the road?
Sanity check Is gender an issue or am I resulting?
#1
Posted 2013-September-19, 10:11
This was the usual sequence at the Club. Your partner evidently holds a weak in hearts. Would you double, pass or bid one more for the road?
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:
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#2
Posted 2013-September-19, 17:12
I might pass if this was barometer pairs and we were almost exactly a board ahead in the last round. At IMPs in a team match, I might pass if I thought we were around a game swing ahead with not too many boards to go. That's about it.
This would be a more interesting question at different vulnerabilities.
#3
Posted 2013-September-19, 17:52
#4
Posted 2013-September-19, 18:48
#5
Posted 2013-September-19, 20:36
MP if the opps are making 4s we are due for a poor board anyway so x
here (along with what appears to be high odds of a vul set) seems to be the
way to go. No sense in letting opps bash us to what is probably a non making
5h. If p has free rein to bid weak twos that look like void KQJxxx xxx QJxx well
that makes such a a huge range for weak twos as to make competitive decisions
impossible (good luck with that).
#6
Posted 2013-September-19, 21:04
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:
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#7
Posted 2013-September-19, 23:56
gszes, on 2013-September-19, 20:36, said:
MP if the opps are making 4s we are due for a poor board anyway so x
here (along with what appears to be high odds of a vul set) seems to be the
way to go. No sense in letting opps bash us to what is probably a non making
5h. If p has free rein to bid weak twos that look like void KQJxxx xxx QJxx well
that makes such a a huge range for weak twos as to make competitive decisions
impossible (good luck with that).
Even if partner has that hand, there's no guarantee you're not taking 500 or even 800, you're not going to reach 6♣/♥ or 7♣ now and that would beat 5♥.
#8
Posted 2013-September-20, 05:08
While the LAW clearly says you should double I would have second thoughts against strong players whose judgment I respect, admittedly unlikely in a mixed teams club tournament.
With few points RHO should have at least six spades and a distributional hand for a vulnerable 2♠ overcall.
Likewise LHO, being very weak, should hold at least four spades and a shortage somewhere when red versus white.
If they have a ten card fit, one holding a singleton or void in heart and the other a singleton or void in clubs, double does not look so hot any more.
I would bid 5♥.
Average players will never let 4♥ play when they have a ten card fit in spades and DBL is automatic. I lead a trump.
Rainer herrmann
#9
Posted 2013-September-20, 05:20
#10
Posted 2013-September-20, 09:19
Hanoi5, on 2013-September-19, 21:04, said:
gszes, on 2013-September-19, 20:36, said:
This :
rhm, on 2013-September-20, 05:08, said:
#11
Posted 2013-September-20, 11:11
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
#12
Posted 2013-September-20, 14:20
#13
Posted 2013-September-20, 14:48
I know several partnerships in which the female player is stronger than the male, even tho I ascribe to the widely-held belief that there are more strong male players than female (and I don't want to restart the debate about why that is so, if it is indeed so. IMO, the reasons are complex, definitely not well-studied, and virtually every discussion I have ever seen consists primarily of restatements of biases and beliefs).
I don't care if my opps are the strongest pair in the world, mixed or unmixed.
We applied pressure. We have little likelihood of making 11 tricks even opposite a stiff spade. They have at best a tiny chance of 10 tricks. They guessed, and maybe they guessed right, in that maybe they have a good save. So what?
Maybe, on a day ending in some letter other than 'y', they can make. Again, so what?
When I can't make 11 tricks why am I not taking the (almost certain) plus. I am, however, not leading trump. With my entries, I can almost certainly lead two rounds of trump later. Meanwhile, S may have miscalculated his partner's heart length, holding 3 cards. I lead the A, and if dummy has 3 of them, I will consider which, if any, minors to cash before leading to partner for the promotion of my trump holding.
#14
Posted 2013-September-20, 15:05
mikeh, on 2013-September-20, 14:48, said:
Hold on. Everyone is jumping to the conclusion that the OP is implying that women are not strong bridge players. He might instead be suggesting that male players in mixed pairs can become horrendous hand-hogs, so the male players who sat East bid on (incorrectly), while the female ones did not. And perhaps it is the hand-hogs whose judgment Rainer does not trust.
#15
Posted 2013-September-20, 15:29
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:
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#16
Posted 2013-September-20, 17:22
#17
Posted 2013-September-20, 17:46
Hanoi5, on 2013-September-20, 15:29, said:
Oh, I see. So the action did not work, and the conclusion is that since it was taken by women, women are poor bridge players. Charming.
It is interesting that since all the players sitting in that position were women, the first explanation that occurred to you was that "gender was an issue". Naturally it wasn't your crap analysis of the position, since you (say you) are male!
#18
Posted 2013-September-20, 17:54
Accordingly all we really know from the results is that every E doubled.
If we wanted to infer a role for gender, one would need to have at least some males sitting E and then see whether the males bid differently. Of course, even if they did, we'd have to account for other variables such as skill, and even age, and partnership style and so on. IOW, this thread has nothing to do with gender.
#19
Posted 2013-September-20, 17:59
mikeh, on 2013-September-20, 17:54, said:
But it's all about the OP's sexism. That has to do with gender.
#20
Posted 2013-September-20, 19:21
Vampyr, on 2013-September-20, 17:59, said:
I cannot see how you can possibly draw this conclusion. In fact, I would argue that YOUR conclusion is sexist!
This was the usual sequence at the Club. Your partner evidently holds a weak in hearts. Would you double, pass or bid one more for the road?