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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2013-October-22, 15:26



Contract is 5 by south

Declarer just losed a second trick to East, so the trick count is 6-2.

This is what happens now:

East leads 2
South plays K
West plays 4
North (dummy) plays 3
West says ouch er...
North (dummy) requests West to pick 4 up and change it
South (declarer) puts K as winner and picks a card to lead to next trick
East comforts West saying: It doesn´t matter, you make A in the end, 1 off. (claims 1 down)
South says no, I make the contract, ruff a spade and discard 2 hearts on diamonds.
East looks at all the cards and says, ok: then its 2 down.


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Posted 2013-October-22, 16:18

Down two. And I ask East not to speak again. Were you East?

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2013-October-22, 16:26

East claimed. West did not object, so the claim stands and play ceases. South then objected to East's claim, so I listen to South's objections and decide he is incorrect. Down 1. Tell North off for playing the cards without being directed and making gratuitous remarks.
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Posted 2013-October-22, 16:52

I suspect East/West will now try to withdraw their concession and claim two tricks.
Is there a normal line for one down?
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Posted 2013-October-23, 02:10

View PostRMB1, on 2013-October-22, 16:52, said:

I suspect East/West will now try to withdraw their concession and claim two tricks.
Is there a normal line for one down?

Yes - a trump to the A and cash 2 winning s, just losing the last trick.
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Posted 2013-October-23, 04:41

View PostWellSpyder, on 2013-October-23, 02:10, said:

Yes - a trump to the A and cash 2 winning s, just losing the last trick.

No doubt what E had in mind, overlooking that S could make a mistake.

I think E would have done better to keep his mouth shut. What he said wasn't true because his partner had given a trick away by failing to take the A immediately, because he can return a spade and take the contract 2 down by force. Then he made it worse because his claim removed the possibility of S making a mistake and giving the lost trick back. Of course if E wasn't claiming his remarks would have been as legally objectionable as dummy's.

But ultimately, Campboy's analysis is spot on.
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Posted 2013-October-23, 04:46

The 4 is a played card, and while North's effort to be nice is appreciated he shouldn't be participating in the play. So South wins that heart trick.

East then claimed. Having stated a line "West makes A at the end" and a number of tricks (1 off), he can't change that to two off. South's objection is indeed incorrect if East discards a diamond on the spade that gets ruffed, but a normal line for East, having claimed as he did, would be to discard a heart instead.

So, result is one off.

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